Podcast and Chill with MacG

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It's going to be epic. So get your tickets right now before they sell out. 01:18 Calling all chillers. 01:21 Assemble. To advertise, email, podcast at thisismatchy.com Release yourself from order and logic and enter a new place. It's not work. It's not home. Here, no maps have been drawn. No books have been written. Nothing is certain. Everything is possible. Welcome to Podcasts. 01:52 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 02:11 Do you guys sometimes feel bad for Dudu? Because I feel like she was put on the most difficult shows. Like we don't need her to read the room because we well-behaved students of the academy. But you guys. 02:23 What do you mean? 02:24 And the main show. 02:25 Dudu made the godliest blooper. 02:28 What do you mean? 02:29 Like PNC has been doing sketches the whole entire year. 02:34 Sketch after sketch after sketch after sketch. 02:37 You say they've been upcoming ever since. They're still up and coming due to you. We're not even trying. 02:44 Those are my peeps. They do it very well. 02:49 I was asking Brad Dave about him. Brad Dave was super excited. He was telling me everything. I could have his team won. 02:55 You know sometimes you can have a comedian and laugh with them or at them and they think they're laughing at, they have jokes. They're laughing at them because they're not able to make you laugh. 03:05 Like you're cringing. 03:07 Are you guys beefing on them pop-ups? No. Why are you beefing with them? 03:14 We're not beefing with them. We're just saying like, you know, they've been trying so hard. And just naturally, the greatest like skits that ever. 03:25 The wrong interviewee, you know. Are you saying Pop-Up's not funny? I think it's funny. 03:32 I like this stuff. 03:33 I think TT and Pop, Paul... 03:36 Farida. 03:36 Farida's also funny. I like Farida. 03:38 I like the whole crew. 03:39 I like Farida. 03:40 I also like the whole crew. 03:41 But if you make me choose between go watching them work and me go to a strip club, I'm definitely going to the strip club. She's like, I'll snatch your husband. 03:49 The restaurants. I was at the restaurants. 03:54 Do you know that people protested when Farida missed an episode? 03:58 They protested physically. The one that's sitting in the middle seat. You understand? They protested. That's how big Farida is. Unfortunately, not everyone is that big. 04:07 No. Love her. And you're right about the same style. Are you saying not everyone there is that big? 04:13 In the middle seat. 04:15 Who's in the middle seat? Wait, wait, wait. How come you guys are speaking in… Is this music in tongues? 04:21 What's happening? 04:22 Hi, how's it guys? Hello, Jamila. Hi. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. We never say hi. 04:28 Have you ever said hi on the show? Speaking in tongues. Yeah, no, not really. No, we never say hi. You just introduced the show and you moved. 04:35 I don't think we really say hi either. 04:36 Did you see how you skipped us? He said, yeah, no, no, not really. 04:39 Did you see how you skipped us? 04:42 No. 04:42 Yeah, we don't really say hi either though. Oh yeah, you guys don't. We just say the girls, the gays, the names, the days, the straight men, if they behave, whatever. But anyway. That chair suits you. It does now? I don't know why. 04:52 Any chair I've been on in this make room since. You know what I like about that? I'm waiting for the main show invites because I've looked great in every chair. 05:00 That's a rap. 05:01 It's not like those intros that sound like it's tagazelo. That makes no sense whatsoever. You know what I mean? That's an actual rap and it's a shout out and it's inclusive. 05:11 Like literally it's like basically spelling out LGBT whatever in the... 05:16 Not whatever. 05:17 Yeah, it is. You know what I mean? And, you know, it gives you community. You know what I mean? It's not about yourself. It's not about self-ingratiating. You know what I mean? It's not narcissistic. 05:28 Oh, thank you. Well, thanks for having us, guys. Welcome to the show. Would you like to introduce yourself? 05:34 How's it, guys? How are you guys doing? My name is Lesequa. I had so much fun on the soccer show last night. It was so cool. Really? 05:42 Soka show? 05:43 Yeah. I was on the outside last night. 05:44 Oh, is it? Oh, yeah. 05:45 The streaming live, right? Yeah. The streaming live. Three nights ago by the time this comes out. Yeah. Saturday evening. 05:51 Yes. Basic. 05:52 Oh, lovely. Yeah. What were you guys streaming for? 05:55 Pirates. Yeah, MTN8 final. MTN8. 05:58 Yeah, but what were you, like, was their brand associated with it or was it just like an on-site? No, they just called me. Yeah, like, I happen to just like bring my chick to work. 06:06 You know folks just call me. 06:08 yes so it was nice to it was nice how do you know football how often do you play football I play football twice a week every week every single week twice a week and who organized that who organized what who set that you've been playing for like over 10 years who set it up 06:23 Let me guess you. 06:25 No. 06:29 My girl. Let me guess you. We play with all the ex-pros, all the guys. But who set it up? Who started that whole entire energy team? I must give credit to… His name is Des Major. That's our… Des. Des Major. They started it with comedians. They started it with… I brought Dewey Kabuka. Trevor used to play with us. 06:50 Keenan used to play with us. Casper used to play with us. Trevor Gumbi. Trevor Noah. 06:54 What? 06:54 Yeah. 06:55 He's a Noah footballer. We used to jam, bro. Noah, yeah. 06:58 We used to jam. Okay, nice, nice, nice. The thing is when you play indoor, it's like we're not doing it as a job, right? So you're just having fun and sweating out the weekend's alcohol. So it doesn't really matter whether you... No, but that's activity at least. But yeah, to answer your question, yeah, believe it or not, I do know a little bit about football. So yeah. No, no, no. And how was the stream? How was the stream? It was dope. It was dope. I think we had like 31,000. Aren't you a Chiefs fan? I am a Chiefs fan. I had the Chiefs jersey on even. 07:28 Yeah, it was cool. And then we went back to the city. It was fire. Bastards. 07:33 So, oh, actually, I wanted to ask, I'm going to start with Swiso, actually, with what's on your pulse? 07:40 Apart from the fact that you're going to say, shut this and I'm tense. 07:48 It's like all time. Apart from this. 07:55 Have you guys done this before? Like host a show together? Apart from the Instagram. 07:58 We've done this before. 08:01 Pause. 08:02 No, I mean as a couple. 08:05 Oh no, I've been on his podcast. 08:08 When I used to podcast. 08:09 We had a couple in the middle seat before. Who? 08:14 Oh, shit. The person who sits in the middle seat and the other person who used to sit in the middle seat, I guess. I'm assuming. 08:25 Oh, is this an inside joke? No, baby. You're outside. What does he look like? What does the couple look like? 08:34 Beautiful girl. 08:35 Timon and Pumba. 08:36 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 08:39 Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do they just run their mouths all over the place? No, no, no. 08:45 They always support women. 08:46 Oh, I think I have an idea of a couple. Yo! 08:50 Speaking of couples. 08:51 Yes. 08:51 You know, the couple wasn't together, you know. The other part of the couple was actually at the game, not streaming from somewhere, Speedy. So relax. 08:59 Damn. 09:00 And you're all SABC employees. Okay. 09:02 Damn, proudly. 09:02 Wait, what do you mean? What do you say? Yeah, no, I'm saying that. He's proudly. I'm saying that. I'm just defending. Yeah. No, wait, no. I attacked, so I must defend, you know what I mean? 09:11 Okay, hold on, hold on. You guys are getting carried away because Fiso actually didn't get to answer what's on his pulse. 09:15 Yeah, what's on my pulse, man? My team won the MGN8. 09:19 And I've been telling you niggas that Sundowns, it's... 09:25 It's the only team that is big for football. Not for branding. And marketing and PR and all the shit. 09:32 Damn. 09:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's be real. Keza Chims and Orlando Pirates. No, no. Come on, bro. You guys are the biggest. 09:40 Because of PR, like good marketing strategies. 09:43 No, it's from legacy. Maybe you can say, like the coaches and the soccer people say that the new school of the footballers don't play for the badge. You know how we talk about the badge. 09:57 But in terms of legacy, that's where it comes from. It doesn't come from a PR perspective or whatever. In terms of who plays better, yes. And why? 10:04 Why is that so? 10:05 Sundance plays better. 10:06 Why is that so? 10:08 Why can Kaiser Chiefs players not play for the badge? Because they're playing for the managers. They're paying for the agents' cuts. 10:15 The teams are decided by the agents. 10:19 The line-up is done by the agents. It's all about who's signed by who. Who's represented by who. 10:25 I'm very big on not speaking on things I don't know about. You know about this. You've spoken about this. I've never been a professional footballer. You've played with professional footballers. You told us right now, ex-players. For sure, but it's tough for me to speak on what happens. Because you want to play with them again. No, no, no. That's how bad it is. I'm telling you. 10:45 That's how bad it is. Leave it. Leave it. Leave it. Okay. 10:51 So what about the new guys says they don't play for the badge? No, it's not about the new guys playing for their bad day. It can happen. Okay. 11:02 But Chiefs players every day is a bad day. Let me tell you what football was, right? 11:06 I'm not even in the loop, but I'm happy to share. 11:08 Let me tell you what football was. Football was a gateway for geniuses to make it out of poverty. 11:16 You understand? If you're a genius athlete, you know, you name it. 11:23 Even Keiza Mutawung himself, you know what I mean? You could make it out of the hood. Dr. Kumalo, you could make it out of abject poverty. You know what I mean? Just by playing well. You could make it past each and every single barrier. You didn't need to be born into the right family. 11:38 You didn't need to have a powerful surname. 11:41 All the things you do need now. 11:44 Do you understand that? And as soon as… Let's keep it back. You actually want to be on onside? No, no, no. I thought it was musical. No, no, no, no. I mean, I had a junior soccer career. I understood that. You know what I mean? I used to play as well. I was trained by some of the legends. Would you please put him on onside? Yes. No, I don't need to be. I don't need to be. Like, you know, I was like developed as a young player by Skara Tintua. You know what I mean? A Kaiser Chiefs legend as well. You know, I was trained by the Winstante twins, you know. 12:11 And I chose something else because someone else was part of the team. 12:15 A guy called Terry Behan. He's like a world expert on branding. 12:18 Wait, wait, no. You know what, guys? Shout out to soccer. Shout out to football. Onside, we love you. You guys are going... No, it's his pulse. It's his pulse. We're allowed to. We acknowledge his pulse. We're going too deep into the niggalations. And we need to leave some room for... 12:32 But there were lots of baddies out there at the football... 12:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out. Shout out to Sundance. That's it. Shout out to Sundance. That's it. Okay, you're taking a shot. And also, my baby sister's birthday. Happy birthday, baby sister. Also Scott. And this is my birthday, man. Shit. 12:50 I did. Which day? Oh, the 22nd. And I was just when I was planning to stop drinking. Can you pour me some water? 12:57 You're going to stop drinking in Feb next year. 13:02 Yeah. 13:03 Okay. Notes, let me come to you actually. What's on your pulse? No football. 13:08 You guys are not starting. My pulse is always lost. You guys have never watched our show. You're not fans. 13:14 We all fans. I'm a huge fan. What's on your pulses? 13:17 What's on your pulses? We're going like this. Let's go in order. 13:20 What's on your pulse, babe? 13:22 What's on my pulse? Hmm... 13:28 I'm in a very grateful era of my life right now. I feel really happy about a lot of things. You know, my friendships, my relationship, my work vibes, you know, some of y'all. Some of us. Yeah. 13:45 Yeah. 13:47 Are they in their room with us right now? 13:51 Unfortunately not. 13:54 But I'm just in a very happy place. So what's on my pulse is actually like being grateful and acknowledging when you are happy because there's a lot of times where you aren't. So when you are, I'm like soak it up. So that's how I feel right now. I feel grateful. 14:08 Appreciative. 14:09 Yes. 14:10 You don't feel like anything is missing. Marriage, lobola. Can we help you? 14:17 She said she's fine. 14:19 She said she's fine and she said she's grateful. 14:24 No, like I said, you're just going to see me one day on an episode just being like, playing with my necklace a lot and all of that stuff. 14:31 That's too, so we know. 14:33 Yes, then you'll know because I always said I wouldn't post a man on Instagram unless, like on my main feed, unless it was my husband. 14:40 And now I've posted a man on my main feed. I'm like, okay, clearly, you know what I mean? 14:46 Something's happening. Let's speed up, man. Let's speed up, man. 14:51 Are you guys going to ask me what's on my pulse? 14:52 Let's speed up. What's on your pulse? 14:55 What's on my pulse is back to the city. It was so dope. Over the weekend. 15:01 How was it with the rain? 15:04 I was shooting a soccer show. I was shooting one side during the rain. So I didn't experience the rain. You were indoors? I was indoors. I was looked after. Thank you very much to the network. 15:15 But when I got there, I just caught the beginning of Absol's set and I was performing after him. 15:21 And you know the Back to the City sets for the DJs are 10 minutes, right? 15:26 That's crazy. 15:28 Really? Yeah. It's always been like 10, between 10 and 15 minutes. So I was like, fuck it, man. Like I got a brand new album coming on. Hold on, you were between who and who? I was after Absol. You were after Absol, so I missed you. 15:40 Yeah, I was after Absol. I left while Slammy Village were performing… What's that song? So that was around 9 o'clock. 15:47 Closer. 15:50 Tainted. Tainted love. Yeah. 15:55 We went to the show on Friday night, the intimate show on the Friday night at Untitled Basement. Oh, really? Yeah, it was super, super dope. Like, they really had a good one. But anyway, yeah. Band and everything? 16:07 No, just DJ and two niggas rapping, doing the hits though. And just in the intimate, like, mature space. It was very, very nice. Shout out to… I bought DJ Bionic, Bradley, DJ Ken Zero. It was at their space. So they'd collabed with the Back to the City team. And yeah, it was a great show. What did you eat there? We didn't eat there. You didn't eat there? No. I like there in Yamachoma. I don't think anyone aids though. I don't like eating at events. I know, but that place, the food is good. 16:38 Yeah, if you go for like during the day breakfast. No, no. 16:42 I take my mother to eat there. I took my mother to eat at Disofeng. She said never again. She said I tried to kill her. 16:47 Why did you do that though? 16:48 Huh? Why did you take it? You want your inheritance now? Like, really? Why? What was wrong with the food? Disofearing. Like, you know, personally? You have such crazy stories. It was cool. It was cool. You know what I mean? No, because I was watching my cousin play soccer. He was playing for Hope FC against the Little Mo Lions. Hmm. 17:07 Shout out to Keegan Buchanan. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. He's the chairman. They've put him as a chairman as that team. Remember Sali Nyebeb? Yeah. So they play the Dobsonville Stadium. So that's also pretty cool. It's in Soweto. So on the way… Oh, especially an NFT game. 17:22 Yeah. On the way, let's pass by Disofeng. You know, I usually chill there. You know, go out there. order some food you know for me the food was fine you know but my mother was like nah what made her say nah did it look unhygienic where they were cooking it yeah like no no no she just like was like nah the chicken was a little bit too dry it wasn't well done what did you guys have like braai or like like a platter it wasn't that bad for me they redid her fries or her chips You know what I mean? Because she complained about the chips. 17:54 But my mother's like, yo, my mother's a Karen as well, at the same time. My mother's the biggest Karen in the world. 18:00 I'm interested. Now, back to the city. You also mentioned that you're working on your new music. 18:06 My new album is done and I'm doing an album called Forgive Never Forget. I'm doing it with the Val guys. 18:13 Do you have new young kids? 18:15 Yeah, from the Val, obviously. So I was like, my DJ set is 10 minutes. They've been out for like three years. But they're only popping now. Yeah. But, well, hopefully they'll start popping up. But long story control. Yeah. My DJ set was 10 minutes. So I was like, I might as well showcase the new music. Your new music? Yes. With the guys. And I was like, yo, are you guys keen to, like back in the day, you remember how it used to happen? I was like, yo, are you guys keen to pull up on me on stage? I got a 10 minute set. We can showcase the new shit. And all the boys were like, yeah. And we went up that stage and it was fucking crazy. 18:46 Everyone was like, what the fuck? 18:47 That song has been out for a long time. That song that was being sung word for word in the ring. No, it hasn't been out for a long time. 18:59 We've been putting it here and there in videos and so forth. 19:02 No, you see that guy was performing on stage with a baby cradle. 19:05 Oh, no, no. You talk about just Sam's performance. Yeah, that's what. Oh, no, no, no. That was… I was still shooting on side at that time. Oh, okay, yeah. 19:13 Remember, I'm just… That was at midnight. 19:15 Yes, I was playing midnight after Absol. Yeah, yeah. So people were supposed to leave. And I heard Absol went down. 19:20 Tato said that. 19:22 I heard half of his set was cool. I didn't hear his set. I don't care. But I still laughed to him. 19:28 Who set was it? Absol. 19:30 TDE, Absol. 19:31 I genuinely don't care. You said I don't know nothing about hip-hop. Hip-hop? Why are you surprised? Bro, you're Team Drake, right? Kendrick's label. 19:40 What team are you? Team Drake or Kendrick? Drake. Okay. I'm in. Thank you. 19:44 Thank you. Hold on. Was it Team Drake or Kendrick? Drake. Go back and watch. 19:48 Okay. So TD is Kendrick's label. Okay. Yeah. 19:55 Anyway… So initially… I remember I was telling you babe… Because she was tired. So initially people are supposed to leave… Because Absol is just finished. Now it's going to be DJ's beat star, Touchline, local artists, right? So I was telling her… Touchline after midnight! Hold on, don't get too cold. So I was telling her, it was so funny, like, going on stage. Because you can see, like, they're trying to leave, but they turn around. They're like, actually, what the fuck's going on on this stage? Yeah, that's what's happening. Touchdown was not on stage. 20:26 The project is crazy. The album is crazy. My album is crazy. 20:31 Don't say that because after we shoot this, he is going to lock you in a car. for two hours and play you every song three times. 20:39 I haven't been this excited about it in a long time. Do you think hip hop will come back back in the days? And also, if you think it's coming back or you guys can bring it back, do you think we're going to be able to have an AKA and K-Spanol verse moment ever again? 20:58 I hope so, Sviso. I genuinely hope so. 21:01 Do you want a beer? 21:04 I genuinely, genuinely hope so. 21:07 I first of all feel like it never left. It's... 21:12 This nigga doesn't know how to pour a draft. 21:14 You gotta tilt the glass a little bit. 21:16 Relax, you're not alcoholic, man. 21:20 But tilt it more, dog. 21:21 I'm alcoholic, bro. 21:22 Okay, yeah. 21:25 I'm liquid. Okay, can I do it? 21:28 You're supposed to tilt him. 21:31 Continue, continue. Hold on, hold on. 21:34 You know, I was just saying hip-hop never left. 21:36 I mean, barman. Yeah, sorry, man. 21:39 No, hip-hop never left, in my opinion. Obviously, it's just maybe not the most favorite genre in the country. You know what I'm saying? And that's why, like, hip-hop people, that's why we're always like, hey, man, leave us alone. We don't bother you because people are like, where's hip-hop? Hip-hop is dead. Hip-hop will never die, you know? We're a subculture. And now it's back to us being backpack. And we like being backpack. We don't bother anybody, G. Yeah. 22:01 Hip-hop feels like a backseat type of thing, but not like something that could ever die. But, I mean, through seeing events like Hip-Hop Floor and stuff like that, I was like, whoa, what is everybody talking about? There's still so many people that are interested in going to a hip-hop-only event. And no shade to any other genre, but for me personally, going to... We were inspired by... Akunya inspired me to start Hip-Hop Floor. 22:27 To do something like that, you know. 22:28 But going to an event and just hearing... You hear a hip-hop set. It's an hour. You're having the time of your life. 22:34 And then it's two. It's two. 22:37 I'm a piano set. Then it's Afrobeats. Then it's fucking Lekopo. 22:43 Inspired by Kunye, which started during a pandemic. No, what I mean by the inspiration is that… An event that's only for the genre. Because I'm also a friend of Shimza, you know. And I always tell him in our DJ group, I'm like, dude, like what you do is amazing. Because I always say, I don't like to go to places where I don't feel welcomed. 22:59 Mm-hmm. 23:00 Right? So when I go to certain spaces, I don't feel welcome. And it's like, okay, cool, no problem. Let me create a space with me and my people that make me feel welcome. 23:09 And I think Shimi did that with Afro. Has Afro tech become the number one genre in South Africa at any point in time? 23:17 No. Exactly. 23:18 I don't think so. Hip-hop did that. Exactly. 23:22 Fah! Fah! 23:30 That's so real. 23:31 Yo, real talk. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't want to be frozen. You know what I mean? 23:39 Hey, Afrotek and Shimze, something else. 23:42 Oh, no. I mean, they can do their thing, right? But they've never dominated this country. Hip-hop has done that. So for anything anyone can say about hip-hop, hip-hop has dominated this country. I was driving on the... That's why they're always in Ibiza though, you know? 23:54 Maybe it's not too bad to dominate. 23:55 Overpass, the double-decker highway, yeah? Yeah, they chow nicely. That shit was built in 1974. I think that's when it was completed. Sorry, say again. Right? Double-decker. Yeah, yeah. 1974. Still standing. It's raining. It's raining. You know what I mean? The rain is drained properly. You're driving through. All the lights were on. 24:12 Back when I was a kid, it had yellow lights. Now it's got proper white lights. So it was like nice and clean. And it was like a break from all the rain. So just imagine as I'm coming into the double-decker section. From the valve. 24:23 It's a break. Not from the valve. No, from the valve. We used to come down the curve. When we go down the... Oh yeah, but when you're coming from the south. 24:29 But either way, when you come into that double-decker section, right? And then the lights are nicely there. And the road is lit. And the camera. 24:37 The 80 camera. Yeah, but you are going at 80, right? So there's a camera there, so you're going slowly. 24:41 Slow enough to look at the stage at Back to the City. Look at the crowd. 24:45 Look at everyone in the rain. Look at the production. Every single light is on in the rain, dawg. There's no light thing falling on someone's head. That's millions of rands worth of infrastructure. 24:58 You can't do that anywhere else in Africa. I get that. I felt that when it… Because even when I looked at the photos that I posted in my story, if you look up… 25:05 the double decker is you see the double decker and you see like cars driving past and I know that feeling as a kid that's coming into the you're like wow you understand what I'm saying and then you see back to the city and it's like and that's the festival imagine back to the city used to be under the bridge it used to be hidden mmm mmm That's where it is now. It's like on top of the bridge. It's on top of the bridge. Well, no, it's like right on the Mary Fitzgerald's field. 25:30 Mary Fitzgerald's field. Mary Fitzgerald's field. Is it still a thing? 25:34 Mary Fitzgerald Park is where Mafton Heights used to happen. 25:37 Oh, but that's not the thing anymore, right? 25:39 Mafton, they used to do it at baseline, yeah. In front of Baseline is Mary Fitzgerald Park. Okay. Yes. But initially, they were inside Baseline. Where they even used to… Sorry guys. Admiral and Jaseed Raga Knight. Yeah. They would do Muftown Heights in there. When they were doing Bo Hape Le Hape… When they started… The Miladins. 25:57 So just think about that. And then they went outside to the park. Now, how many festivals have been done that are strictly hip-hop and that have put hip-hop on and that have been done around the country, dog? You've traveled to places like Kuruman, Dawung… Yeah. for hip-hop festivals like Valcom you know what I mean bridge entertainment like in Tabanchu in Mabana Stadium you understand what I'm saying so Hip-hop has done a lot, you know. And I think a celebration like Back to the City is something to be celebrated. For sure, dude. But they also need to come up, dog. 26:28 Like, you know, no, let me tell you what happened. I feel like things that are that large. 26:31 Like, shout out to Back to the City. Honestly, but I can't do, you know, I don't like the massive festivals. 26:37 It's such a big occasion. And it can be messed up by people whose job it is to just make it easy for people. So what didn't you like? So like, I entered the place, right? I got a VIP invite or whatever. Cool. I entered the place. I was doing a lot on the day. I had a lecture to do in the day. I shot another show earlier. You know, I drove to the East Rand. And then from the East Rand, now I enter back to the city. I park in basement parking. You know, my lady was drinking Chilla's Punch the entire day. 27:10 Yes, she should. 27:11 So she was passed out. 27:13 Oh, damn. Never mind. Why did she pass out? Yes. 27:15 Why is she passed out? He means Zen. 27:22 Did you know about the story? No, I knew about the story. She was with us here. And then we were shooting something. 27:33 So how many chillers punches did you guys have? 27:37 He said six. Me, I can have ten. I don't mind. 27:41 No, I'm asking. I don't know. I wasn't watching. 27:44 Okay, so now you have to wake her up. You get to bed. I tried. And then? 27:47 I failed, so I locked her in the car. Damn. Yeah. 27:50 Panic attack and gaga when I wake up. 27:52 No, either way, I was like, let me figure out what our situation is. 27:55 The situation is, yes. 27:56 You know what I mean? So I'm like, when you're with a lady, even if you are the goat, you have to RM. Oh my God. Yeah. Maybe I need to pee. 28:05 Vanna, you know who I am. How many pictures do I have to take for you to pee? Yo. Bro, and dog, I got... I got a fire, I got a fire, fire girlfriend. So you know that all the niggas are looking like... Coming in, looking at the PPL like this. And everybody's like... 28:25 I just care about the... I'm like, yo, carry that P when we go to the gig. You know, the conversation. Now I'm RM. I'm the RM. 28:32 That's why you guys like to go out with your homeboys rather. Because you don't have to babysit us. 28:36 Because then there's someone else. One of the homies will be like, yo, I'll RM. Yeah. You know what I mean? Simple. No, not the homies. 28:43 one of the homies does it his RM will RM no if your RM is not there and you're out with the boys one of the homies will say yo don't worry let me sort us out yo Speedy just relax a little bit you're not easy we're easy like you always say we fall into formation she always says it at home where she says why do you have so much fun when you guys are just niggers I'm like because we don't need much we don't need much to be happy 29:06 We're not ego... My man needs to go fetch me this. My man needs to do this. My man needs to... That's an ego thing. I mean, but the things that you want him to make it happen. You know what I mean? I just needed to pee. 29:19 No, our fight is that he doesn't want me to make... I mean, I don't want him to make it happen because I don't like to inconvenience people. So I'd be like... I need to pee. It's fine. I'll go by myself. It's just there. And he's like, chief, we're at this packed ass place. You can't go by yourself. And then we fight the fact that I was willing to go by myself. 29:34 No, because let me... Guys, when she comes... Come on, let's keep her the buck. When she comes back, obviously, I'm touched because niggas are being niggas. 29:44 Niggas are fucking pigs. Nah, nah, niggas. And I always said... You never stop that talk. You're like, niggas will always be pigs. Let's keep her the buck, you know? So rather for me to feel comfortable, let my handler go with you. Or don't fucking drink. 30:02 Let's stop the peeing. 30:08 Let me not even go out with you at all to any of your events and your gigs. 30:13 Nah, nah sound like us. 30:16 Exactly. 30:16 So cool, sorry what you were saying. No, no, don't worry. 30:19 We got lots of time. She's in the car. She's sleeping. You're like, I need to go figure out the situation. 30:23 I go in. 30:24 Yes. 30:24 I get given a VIP tag for some section wherever it is, right? It's called Soweto. Okay, cool. I get taken by one of the guys and he's a chill gent. I think his name is Spusiso. And Spusiso was like, yo, your section is so far away. We have to walk through the raid and all the way around. And I'm already thinking like, yo, this guy's explaining to me that we have to walk all the way around. 30:43 I don't know. to come back in future. 30:46 Yeah. 30:46 Who were you invited by? Whoever. Were you working or were you just... I was invited. 30:51 It's like an email that comes from Back to the City every year. Okay, yeah. You know what I mean? 30:55 Who was your best performance yesterday, bro? 30:58 Relax. Let me walk in first. I go inside. It's a big story. Shit. I go inside. I go inside. 31:04 I'm asking because I'm bored now. You've been telling me the car, the windows, the plate numbers, the what, what. And I'm interested about the music and the event. And I'm like, when do we get there, bro? Who was the best performer? 31:17 We're already at the event. Kasper's performing at this point in time. 31:22 Now I'm walking around. I get into the section. He's killing it. Say it. Nah, I couldn't see. 31:27 I couldn't tell. 31:30 I couldn't tell. But, you know, the rain was falling. I walk around to the back. You know what I mean? Some people are like, yo, can I take a picture? I'm like, damn, this section is already, people are already asking for pictures. Straight up. I tell them, I'll be back with no intention of coming back. I'm looking for someone I recognize. First person I recognize, Amu. 31:49 You understand what I'm saying? Clean. Ah, I get your album. I'm like, yo, I'm just thrown out here. I was looking for a section. He's like, nah, there's no sections out here. Let's see what's going on. And we see DJ Choice. 32:02 On the other side, DJ Choice is like, yo, he found a section. He found a table. Let's go chill there. Alright, cool. So now I hop on to Amu's coattail. I'm chilling there with Amu. People are asking for pictures. People are at the table. Okay, cool. But other people, etc. You know… You're famous, nigga. You know what I mean? Other people, etc. 32:25 Now you know how Cuesta felt… 32:28 Whoa, what do you mean? 32:30 No, with pictures. Taking pictures. Now you get to experience the other side of the artist. It's just dope. 32:36 The network helped you. Nah, I've been famous for a long time. I've been taking pictures. No, no, no. I've known you for a long time. Stop it. Stop it. 32:43 Hold on, man. I have known you for a long time. The network helped you. The network cleaned you up. 32:47 No, come on. No, no, no. Don't start. Come on. Come on. Come on. Don't come on me. Come on. Even you, dog. Come on. Let's keep it back. The network gave you order, dog. Yes. 32:57 And presents. Even you too. Even me, bro. If we go into that, I'm still waiting for my sneakers. So let's not go into that. But it's like that. No, no, no. 33:08 You were just a manager. You were just Chris' manager back in the day. Come on. 33:11 I love you, but you were just Chris' manager back in the day. No, I wasn't a manager. 33:14 Yes, you did a lot of things. No, no, no, I wasn't a manager. I wasn't a manager. 33:19 Yes, yes. I will never disregard the work you did, but what I'm saying is they networked you clean easily. No, it didn't. It didn't. You didn't. 33:28 They put me in the same camp as misogynist, as women haters. 33:35 Hear me out. You know what I mean? When you're producing all those records, doing all those things, where people are asking for photos, Yes. 33:45 I've been to gigs with you, dog. Nobody gave a fuck about you. 33:50 You were skinny as fuck with dreadlocks and a fucking DJ. I'm still skinny. 33:58 No, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. No, don't do that. No, don't do that because, you know, I understand. 34:06 No, you need to pay the... My man, I don't want you to respect yourself. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Because, you know, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Where Shamiso was employed, they used to upload the music videos on tape while I was watching and tell me the scheduling on the time, you know. 34:23 Paramount. No, no, no. It's not about being famous, dog. Having access to power. Hold on, wait, wait, wait. 34:28 Please remember, we're saying two different things. Listen. I'm saying, I love it for you. 34:35 No, that's what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Okay, but either way, right? Whatever the case may be, right? They might not understand it and they are like you. It's like people who are used to seeing you. People who are used to seeing you undermine you a bit. So, like, they put you in a section with everybody and they don't understand that, yo, the authority is a whole different figure. 34:57 Especially after working at the network. 34:59 No, it's got nothing to do with… I had a whole entire rape case that I had to beat. You understand? I was in Fox News, Newsmax, Al Jazeera, dog. Like, bro… Those things that make someone want pictures with you. No, hold on. It's not about… Yes! Those are big news! Who wants a picture of you? There was a whole entire brand event. There was a whole entire brand event. It's because I beat it. Same thing with Java. So, yes. They want pictures with him because of that. You understand? 35:26 Not all I was saying is I've known you for a long time. I'm happy to see you. To be in the news. 35:35 It's not just about being on this platform. 35:37 I'm in the news. Gentlemen, I do have something to say. Shout out to you for all the fame. Shout out to all the pictures. Shout out to all the fans. 35:46 Shout out to Amu for giving me a proper safety VOC tag. 35:51 And shout out to our partners at Hollywood Bits. So right now, you can get a share of $2.5 million in cash, tech, vouchers, and appliances with Pragmatic Play prize drops. So the drops happen every Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday from 12.30 to 10.30 p.m. until 29 October. Just place a bet of two rand or more on selected Pragmatic Play slots to qualify. New customers... This is for the new customers if you, you know, aren't seasoned enough. 36:23 Hit the link in the description to sign up and get 50 free spins plus a 25 rand sign up bonus. Existing users, this is for you guys that have been woke, just log in and start playing. T's and C's apply. 18 plus and… Oh, 18 plus only. Only bet which you can afford to lose. Winners know when to stop. You're such a good broadcaster. Yeah. 36:48 No, no, no. Can we hire you to read for us? We're struggling. Yeah, can we hire you to read for us? 36:57 Will you guys share the check? I'm going to one household, you know? Like you buy groceries together, you can share the check, you know what I mean? 37:06 You can share what? 37:08 The check for the middle seat. You know what I mean? You can share it. Plus you've got other jobs, dog. I don't have many jobs. He's got many, many other jobs. You've got an SABC job. You've got a job each and every single weekend at whatever watering hole. 37:20 I've got a new show on channel, yeah? 37:22 Exactly. 37:24 It's the hip-hop floor, so it's the event. 37:27 Oh, lovely. Basically the conquer life of the hip-hop. 37:30 Oh, lovely, lovely, lovely team. We love working boyfriends. We love them. 37:36 Current vibes, guys. Current vibes. In terms of current vibes. How? I haven't said my pulse. Amu. 37:43 Oh. No, you were... Your fame is your pulse. No, my pulse. Ammunition. I need to say my pulse because it's... Oh, no, no, no. Let him say his pulse, please. Your fame is your pulse. 37:52 Okay, let's... And Amu and your girlfriend sleeping and Casper, you didn't see his performance. 37:57 No, I think it was dope. You know, I think it was dope. Like, you know, I heard from the guys that the performances were dope. I bumped into a lot of people I hadn't seen in a long time. I bumped into Jaros Chakarumba from Drumpis. You know, he punched me like in the gut. 38:09 I mean, I'm double HP and Trumpy. I like you. You're fucking them up, Jota. 38:14 I also created the OGs, the Kalawa tribute guys. Oh, they were performing? Yes. I thought he was there just for the show. No, it was a heritage. Oh, damn. I missed a lot. I saw all the OGs. 38:27 Yeah, I bumped into Zagwe as well with all his old homies. I bumped into Luvo, Golden Kota Festival. No, no. The time that I'm supposed to use for my post. Like, I bumped into old friends. Like, did not bump into Mini though. 38:43 So anyway, back to the city is a huge shout out to the OGs. Because you guys are speaking about the OGs that you ran into. 38:53 Babe, don't put me in the OGs. I'm young. 38:55 I'm not talking about you, OG. I was saying you bumped into a lot of OGs. 38:59 Yeah, I enjoyed the Friday more. But remember at the museum, because it was the PR day. 39:03 Yes. 39:04 And then in the evening, we did the, like I said, the unplugged show. Mm-hmm. 39:09 I want to know about current vibes. Obviously, Monaka has… You're acting my pulse, Will. No, we've acknowledged it. But we are talking about current vibes and that also includes Monaka's music show on YFM. It's called The Riz. I used to do that show. It's a specialized show that is supposed to highlight international hits, international acts. Oh, lovely. Yeah, artists that you wouldn't usually hear about. You could hear the biggest rap song out of Sweden or the biggest R&B singer out of India. 39:40 You know what I mean? Songs that you wouldn't expect to hear for an hour. No, no, no. Just her? Yeah, it's just her. 39:45 Lovely. She used to do the show. I started with the show. 39:47 It's like the hot night. 39:48 I only just recently started listening to radio. 39:50 Yeah. 39:51 Yeah. So I listened to it yesterday. 39:53 What do you think of it? 39:55 Cool. You heard it? I haven't heard it, but I saw… She was doing a link. 39:59 You're done with the link, right? Yeah. I'm not linking, G. Can you please stay here and read for us at least? 40:08 I'll come back, I won't lie. We have a problem. 40:11 So what do you think? If someone reads, then you have to clap. 40:16 If he gets it right. 40:19 Sorry, are you listening to it? 40:22 So some clips, I think in WhatsApp stories. 40:26 So I was like, I haven't had time to listen to the entire show. But I'm 100% she's doing great. I wouldn't know. I'm 100% she's doing great, man. She's very smart. 40:37 Wait, what are you guys asking? What's the question? 40:41 I asked what he thinks of the wrist. I don't think now that you said it's about music that we don't get to hear. Like American, like foreign music and whatever. 40:51 I understand the disconnect. 40:52 Cool. I'm asking how come you guys got to this topic, the producers, like what happened? 40:58 They have opinions on it. That's why we… It's for music. 41:00 We have opinions on radio shows as well. That's part of the music business. The two of them have opinions on it. Anything that has to do with music, the business, the actual sound, you know, even beyond. 41:11 So now that you explained, I'll stay with my metro. Listen to my Metro FM because for me, I'm for… What about five? No, no, no, let me finish. Let me finish, bro. Let me finish. I'm very happy with the rule of… You're not having Monaka for breakfast. Hold on, dog. 41:27 I'm happy with the rule… You guys are going to be put on timeout. Because you both keep interrupting. It's the shots. 41:33 I'm happy with the rule of 80% South African music and then 20% foreign music. So if the show is 100% foreign music, I'm not trying to get there. But that's my opinion. That's my opinion. I don't want her to go an hour and listen to foreign music. 41:49 But don't you want to support your child? 41:50 Don't you want to support her? I support her, bro. I'm speaking about it. I'm saying good luck to her. And I said she's smart. She will kill it. I said it. 41:59 I don't understand. 42:00 But I want to hear. 42:01 I don't understand the question. I want to understand why we're talking about the show. Yes. Let me land, right? Is it maybe that somebody was saying something on the internet where they said, we like the show or we don't like the show. And now we're speaking about it. I think that's my genuine question. 42:21 There's a couple of people that dislike the show. Okay. There's actually a couple of people that dislike how we need you. Okay, thank you. 42:27 Now we're getting somewhere. 42:28 Yes, but Dudu did tell us before, she said they have opinions on it. Yeah. Because I asked, what do we, yes, and apparently you two have opinions on it. You and Sviso, know what I'm saying? 42:38 My opinion is that she should be on five rather. You know, I listen to her show. I like her show. She's a public personality. I like how she's taking to radio. But as soon as I heard Feifei's show, which came next, it's like, oh, this is the voice that sounds… This is the voice for this actual station. Like this… Each station has got its sonic signature. You know what I mean? And that also goes with the on-air presenters. And sometimes you're just not a fit. Like you could be talented. You've got everything going for you. But you're just in the wrong position or you're in the wrong place. 43:10 Yeah, like you there by DJ Spoo. 43:12 I think… Where was it? That was where I trained. I got my training. 43:16 I was practicing when you weren't practicing. 43:19 Yeah. 43:20 Amen. I don't want to... What I do want to say though... I'm proud of Monaco first of all. Because YFM is where you want to... Cut your teeth. And not to say that... Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like just to get the experience, get the air time, etc. Because even she sacrificed... 43:41 The res was her show. You know, and it's not a beef or whatever. It's like, no, Monaco's new. A fresh face, fresh voice. I think... She's still fresh. 43:54 I think it's a good starting point. 43:56 You're still fresh. 43:57 If they're trying to get into radio, you know what I'm saying. But I do definitely... 44:03 hear her on 5FM. The same way we always say that we definitely hear a Shamiso on a MetroFM one day. 44:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? We can come down show or something. Somewhere into the drive there. With the voice. 44:15 Even how she holds it down like on TV, even on the network, like broadcasting. You can definitely hear a Shamiso Monsaka on a MetroFM one day. I think. 44:24 Thank you, lovely. I always watch the room. I'm a roomie, by the way. Oh, yes. I always watch through the room and I'm like... I'm also a roomie. And I'm saying... Here and there, I'm a roomie. And I say, oh, the way she sounds, bro, and the way she articulates and how fast she is with things, it's just like... This is like... I'm not to say podcast is not good for her. I'm saying like, this is what the radio used to be or TV back in the days. 44:50 No, actually, you're actually right. No, I'm wrong. Sorry, I didn't. Yes, you're right. This is what the radio used to be. 44:58 I think that when you extend it to everything else, no, maybe not as much. But people used to ride for their favorite radio DJs that become super fans. You know what I mean? And what I've seen, like, especially in the comments of Read The Room, you've got your own community. You know what I mean? Lundy's also got her own community. You know what I mean? Phil's also got his own. Well, he came with the community. 45:20 Hey, Phil, I didn't say that. 45:26 It only belongs to one community. 45:28 But that's why like podcasting, podcasting in the network and what you guys do on a weekly basis, you're right. It is the new radio. Yeah. Right. And I think the cool thing is that now that like let's keep it a buck. This is the biggest network. These things are happening. We've got Read The Room. We've got Music Pulse. We've got Onside. All the smoke. We've got McFarlane on the side. You know, like there's so many cool things. Like you have to, as the normal mediums, which is where we work, about SABC, about YFM, Prime Media, whatever, traditional media, whatever. 46:07 We have to accept that this is what's happening. And that's why also you guys need to now… we're at a point now where you have to watch what you say. And not to say you mustn't be free, but you have to watch what you say. Why? 46:21 Because the thing is… It's not coming, my brother. The podcast celebrities of now aren't like us when we were TV celebrities. So you could be popping on the internet or whatever, but you're not famous at checkers. When you go to checkers, you're not that famous, right? And you've never been in the spaces like that. You've never been to an AKA's house. You've never been to a Mang Mang's house. You never chill with niggas like that. You can't really talk about things because you never chill with them like that. Even that guy with the square face where he's speaking about me or whatever. 46:52 You never chill with me in your life. 46:53 Let's go, let's go. 46:55 You know what I'm saying? Who's the square face now? You've never, you've never, you've never, you've never been. 46:59 If you see it all the time, wouldn't it be stuck in your mind? Because it would, you know. 47:04 I only have eyes for one person. What are you talking about? Because you, you're broadcasting. Remember, you guys are still broadcasting. you're broadcasting as if you're speaking about facts and it's like, no, you're not speaking about facts. 47:19 You don't really have the real life. 47:20 So that's what I'm saying. That's the difference between the traditional and the new media. And that's where you go back to. I guess it depends what you want. 47:29 I've never been on any TV channel. 47:31 But you still are part of the traditional… But either way… I'm not part of the traditional… And I actually will include myself and DJ Speedster… Are all part of traditional media… That happen to then move and shift into a podcasting space… 47:48 I've never been in the traditional media space. 47:50 You understand what it is to be at a studio session and be a serious contributor to the work, to the product, to an event, to an album listening party. You're not just here talking about things that you're seeing. Same with you. You're not just talking about things that you're witnessing. I'm an expert in my field. Yes, I understand. And of course you do that in university. 48:12 And of course you can have fun with it. Yes. You're not talking about things you're witnessing from outside of the club. 48:18 No, no, no. I agree with all of you guys. You could become an expert at university in something and start podcasting about it, right? Anybody can do that, right? But you can't build an audience. So we need to actually value People that can actually build an audience. Yeah, my pops call me all the time too. You know what I mean? That's how it is. Sorry, sorry. I'm listening to you. What, what, what? Let's not get distracted. Yeah, very dark. Let's not get distracted. 48:47 Very dark. Yes, you were saying? 48:50 Okay, some of our pups call us. Because we're light-skinned. Damn. 48:56 Light-skinned and he don't call. Shade. 48:58 I know, that's why I was leaving you out. Sorry, but I was being nice about it. Sorry, my bad, my bad. I know what you're doing. Fuck that nigga. 49:07 He can slap you. He's still the timer. He's still the timer. 49:10 The way she makes my girlfriend cry, fuck that nigga. This is good for online content. They know exactly the cues. 49:18 No, that's my point. Some people don't know the cues. They don't know how to draw an audience, right? As much as they can be experts, as much as they can know what they're talking about. So you have to give value to people that might not know anything. 49:31 Right? Did I say it properly? Might not know anything. 49:34 Anything, yeah. 49:34 Yeah, but when it comes to them giving their opinions and speaking about something, they can just gather an audience. Excalibur. 49:43 That's trash. 49:45 That guy. You know what I mean? He disses everything. He might not know anything. He might not be experienced. But he can draw an audience. You know, his performance is crafty enough. You know what I mean? And… There's value for that. There's value for that. And sometimes… What value? Is it really value? Sometimes you don't have any ambitions to be on traditional media. 50:06 I'm not opposed to getting with the times. But I am opposed to… you know when Chris Brown said hating from outside of the club like and I don't like Chris Brown but literally like you can't not have the texture the real experiences the real stories like I'm sure if you guys had to sit me down and I've also been in this industry since I was 19 so almost 10 years but I'm sure if I had to sit down with all three of you You guys would probably... I wouldn't sleep. Because you guys would be able to tell me stories for two days straight. 50:37 Of real experiences of... This one time we went to this gig. And this one time... You know how this song came about? 50:43 Actually... You know how this song came about? 50:46 Actually... Was this, this, this... Do you know... I used to drive this guy when he was still just rapping and he didn't have any money. Like DJ Drama. 50:53 whatever the case may be there's certain people that just shouldn't be able to speak so much with such little experience knowledge and texture in this game because now it's just becoming a free for all when we talk about broadcasting because it's like where are the real broadcasters? 51:12 okay but are they not surviving? and please how many years have we had of this online fame? 51:19 how many years? we've had many years of it Okay. Tell me who that has no substance, that has no expertise, that is still surviving to this day faking it. 51:29 Don't worry, we do that here. 51:32 I don't want to be controversial and speak on people's names. No, no, I'm just saying, do you see anyone? 51:37 Do you know, like, is it a thing? Like, yeah, there's lots of people that are still around faking it. Or do you see people being filtered out if they don't have the real expertise, if they don't have the, you know, the minerals to... You know what? 51:51 They are slowly getting filtered out when they don't have the minerals. Actually... 51:55 And I'm so glad I listened to your question. I didn't listen to your answer. Because I'm so glad I listened to you right. 52:05 They're being filtered out over time. 52:07 Because that's where I was going. 52:08 It was going to have to get there at some point. 52:10 That's where I was asking. 52:11 Because it's a real business, right? 52:12 That's what I was going to ask him when he said there's a line, there's limits to it. And I'm like, okay, hold on. Who's throwing those lines? 52:19 Yeah. 52:20 Who is responsible for drawing those lines? You get what I'm saying? So for me, it sounds like it's just gatekeeping, bro. If you're going to hire me at SABC, you must hire me for my personality. And when I get to SABC, I'm not planning to get them changed. And by the way, like you were saying, someone like me, I'm not planning to work for SABC. 52:39 Yeah. Yeah. 52:41 Munaka was though. 52:42 I understand. They were playing Munaka, Mas. That's why she couldn't last. Yeah. They were playing for this. If someone who started podcasting as a stepping stone to radio, to TV and whatever, they were 100% conscious all the time. 52:56 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? 52:57 But someone like me or Nota, I'm not trying to fuck work for Fundiv Wundla for instance. Look. 53:03 Sviso, I understand 100%. And you're right. I understand that 100%, right? What I'm saying, let's use an example of that person, right? No, let me use an example. Hold on. Okay, hold on. It's like, okay, sharp. I'm DJ Lesejo, DJ Spista, whatever you want to call. At some level, at some point, you need to understand that I'm also a human being. Yes, but you're a famous human being. Hold on. Yes, which I understand it comes with. 53:36 And you've got a beautiful woman. 100%. Exactly. I get that. You will be hated already. Do you deserve to be hated? You deserve it. You deserve it. 53:45 You deserve everything. You deserve everything. 53:48 You have a beautiful girl. Everyone likes you. 53:52 Everywhere you go, you want to be liked. La Rasa. La Rasa. 53:58 You can't have it all. Niggas have nothing, dog. 54:01 What do you want them to do? Kill themselves. 54:05 They need to humble you somehow, dog. They need to make you feel human. Exactly. That's what proves you're human. You've got feelings. They hurt you. Yes. 54:12 My man, no problem. That broke, nigga. That stinking, nigga. He hurts you. And I understand it comes with a job. You're human. There's no problem. However, just to remember, I don't fall off a tree. 54:24 I understand. But you've got something to protect. 54:28 I don't fall off a dream. I'm a human being. I have feelings. I also sometimes want to cry myself to bed. Just keep that in mind. I'm not saying, hey, get out of my shit. I understand. It comes because we're in it. I'm just saying, just keep in mind that even me, I'm somebody's child, dog. Just keep that in mind. Because if you're not going to do that, Oshampama. And that's not who I am. 55:00 But as a man, as a black man, if you're going to disrespect my lady, the DJ's speech is going to go away. Now you're dealing with Lise Hongkai Singh. Yeah, but you can't do that. Can't go to jail for your lady. No, I can't go. That's fine. 55:14 We're all ready to murder anyone who abuses or disrespect our women. 55:19 Too late. Too late. What I want to say is that I am glad that we are now understanding that this is a business 55:28 As much as we're podcasting and it's the new medium, we still need to have a line and keep it respectful. 55:34 Yeah, where are boundaries? I'm sure even when you guys are doing it, if you cross the line, they will fire you. 55:39 Do you feel like they should be… Because I feel like I haven't heard enough of your opinions and voice today. So I'm sorry if you feel like we're drowning you out a bit. Do you feel like there should be boundaries in the game as a whole? Because I know this is still a music show. But in terms of coming back to... Going back to the city and wanting to move around comfortably and not having to deal with the fact that... Ish, I said this about this artist. I said this about that DJ. I said this about this. Don't you think that our space, because it relies so heavily on connecting and being good with people, don't you think that it would be smart to have boundaries in this space? 56:20 I'm going to give you an example. Yes. If I'm managing an artist, I'm managing an artist, and nobody's speaking about that artist good or bad. 56:29 I need somebody to speak about the United States. It's simple. As a businessman in the music industry, you get what I'm saying? I'll give you an example. I used to rock Deben Gogo a lot. And she was training. She was gigging every day, bro. She was busy. And a couple of more DJs. Bobby Cooper. You get what I'm saying? I had a tour with Cesar Dlamo using Questa's account. So as an artist manager, for me, for me as an artist manager, for me as an artist manager, for me as an artist manager, 56:59 Sorry, you can't hear. You can't hear. 57:01 For me as an artist manager, I need some kind of traction and I find a way to spin it. You get what I'm saying? As an artist manager and make it work to my advantage and my artist's advantage. And I'll train my artist before. Look, you are signing a contract with the devil now. Everybody will have an opinion about your foot. 57:20 Everybody will have an opinion about your eyes, your ears, your mouth, your voice. Do you know how people make fun of Azana? 57:28 You know Asana. And she's tall. She's gorgeous. Such a gorgeous woman. 57:31 They make fun of her speaking voice. Okay. 57:34 Oh, and she's so sad. 57:35 You get what I'm saying? But it's not the same with the singing voice. I always had those changes. My mama's like, ah, my man. 57:41 I thought about your mom. 57:44 No, Asana. 57:47 I think we met her the other night, actually. I was also like, oh, hi. I was so green. 57:51 She's tall, eh? So, to finish. Please, I started TV and fame and radio way before we did, dog. 57:56 What do you mean, I started fame? 57:58 You were in fame. You were into fame before. You were famous earlier. 58:02 No, you were famous earlier, a long time ago. 58:05 Yeah, you've been to fame for way back. 58:06 That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Before. And from a young age. From a young age. And unfairly so. You get it. Hold on. Unfairly. No, no, no. Let me finish. Let me finish with it. Let me finish. No. 58:18 Okay, wait. Okay, we're going to get into that. 58:20 No, his brother was the man out there in the vault. Let me learn. 58:23 So we had it easy. 58:24 It's not easy. 58:25 No! I still had lots of work to do. Come on. 58:28 Let me learn. I want to explain. Let me learn. I want to explain. Okay, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Because I want you… And I'm not trying to defend anybody. Right? I'm not trying to defend whoever we're talking about. That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to say, you came into fame way before most of us in this couch. 58:45 Mm-hmm. 58:46 You get what I'm saying? Bro, someone surely should have trained you about it. Someone surely would have told you about the advantages and disadvantages. 58:54 His brother. 58:55 And then you made a choice. His brother made the choice. Who made the choice to be here? 58:59 No, his brother's here. I'm having a private life. When I listen to you, you can continue with this thing. But you're not allowing me to finish. Let me tell you. 59:07 You guys have never been famous. Let me tell you guys. Let me talk about it. My bad. Like you say, you've never been that famous. Yes, I've never been that famous. It doesn't work. It doesn't work like that. So it wasn't my brother. It wasn't whatever. But it was an era where being famous was being famous. Right. But real fame. Real fame. You know real fame. 100%. TikTok ain't paying you fame. 100%. You're not real fame. And I don't say that in an arrogant way. No, no, no. 59:34 No, it's okay. You can be arrogant. You're telling the truth. It's about the truth of the show. So let me finish and land properly. 59:41 So I'm sure... Okay, by the way, hold on. I want to defend us quickly. I want to defend us quickly. By the way, our job has always been to make people like you famous. 100%. So we can never be jealous of that. 59:53 I've always known you as... Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's our job. We're happy when you're famous. Yes, as the engine. We're happy for you. Okay, yes, continue, please. I've known you for many years around the industry. Behind the scenes. But working, making stars. And vice versa with you. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. And that's why I even said the podcast puts you on. Now I leave you taking photos when you're at F&B. 60:16 I still used to take photos back then. 60:17 Yeah, but so we can go back to music. I want to leave you with something, bro. Surely you know, bro, what you got yourself into. 60:23 100%. You know what comes into. Mini doesn't know. 60:25 And you know, and you know that... Stop. I know, for real. And you know that you can't control everything, bro. You can't. For sure. You know that. 60:34 You can tell people, you know, I paid 1.5 million for the wedding. And they'll be like, why would you tell us that? Why would you brag about paying for your wedding? On a radio show. When you've never actually hosted a radio show because you've never been talented enough to actually do radio. No one could ever give you a radio job. Do you understand what I'm saying? You know... And now lately... Hold on, wait, wait. The 1.5 million wedding is with a guy who's actually an executive at the channel that's broadcasting the wedding. 61:05 Do you understand what I'm saying? There's nothing to brag about this. You understand? 61:09 It's not finished. 61:10 Yeah, sorry, man. 61:11 I'm worried about Minika Vista. I got... Sorry. Yeah, no. I just had to throw that shit. 61:15 Okay, now as you're talking about... 61:18 So I wanted to wrap it up for him quickly so we can go back into the show. So... Now you made it worse lately. Bro, you are one of the hip-hop artists or DJs that's still relevant now, 20-something years later. 61:30 Well, he's still young. Hold on. Yeah, but he's still young. 61:32 It's not 20-something. 61:34 27 years later. No, but I mean, it's not like he's 40 and he's still trying to be relevant. 61:37 Yeah, but he started at a young age. 61:40 Really? Yeah, I came in young. 61:42 Yeah, he came in young. So now, look at your brews you came up with, dog. They're gone, bro. Which ones are gone? Huh? No, I'm saying like the representers were relevant. They're relevant at his time. No, dog. 61:54 All of them are still relevant. No, not everyone. 61:57 Dukes was not his era, dog. What do you mean? Dukes is beyond the era, dog. I'm 49. This man is 34 years old. 62:03 He's 34 years old. 62:04 That's what I'm saying. He's not in my era. He's not 35 yet. Trust me, both Dukes and Ganga were before his age. I just came in. He was in primary school when Dukes was not, dog. 62:14 I'm 34 years old. Dog is young, dog. 62:18 Those are Dukes, dog. Yo, super mega. 62:22 I was born in 1988. Nota and Younga. Nota and Younga and Slum Village. Student Village. And all those activations with Apple Sugar Smacks and with Slicka. Nota then were my heart. I was a little kid. I just happened to be here for a long time. 62:39 Yeah. Okay, cool. so no hip hop is here for a long time it's still relevant no the point is this is that you are closing my point I want to close it properly you can't close it for me do you know where he was going do you know where he was going do you know where he was going Jesus hey you hired another defender yeah please no I just want to play arguments and like he needs to talk so what I was saying so what I was saying so what I was saying shut up babe thank you for having my back shout out shout out 63:11 So what I was saying is that most of them didn't make it till now with relevance. And you're still here. And everybody's wondering why you're still here. You get what I'm saying? But you know why you're still here. Because you came into the business because you loved it. And you understood the wrong and the bad, the benefits and everything you understood. And then you go and top it up with a hot woman like this. And now you expect peace. So let me finish. 63:37 Not half. You're fighting. You're fighting. You're fighting, bro. We don't know how big Zulu's girlfriend look like. 63:47 And all of you are doing hip-hop. You understand? We don't. We don't. We don't. They don't post them. Exactly. Why? 63:59 Because they know it's not like 30,000 likes when they post their girl. 64:03 My boys are trying to get... They're not offering you a reality show wedding. 64:20 Yeah. So for real, bro, like just take everything that comes with it. Use what you can use and dump whatever you cannot use. Period, bro. Just keep it going. 100%. But I understand what you say. When it comes to a woman now, it's different because I'm also the same. But can I tell you what you need to do? 64:37 I'm also the same. 64:40 You need to do meditations by Marcus Aurelius. 64:44 Who? 64:45 Yes. Us or? No, that's a book you need to read. As individuals. He was the emperor of Rome. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's how I control my temper. 64:52 Sorry, what's it called? 64:53 Like when people insult me, you can say that. 64:55 Meditations. 64:57 You failed a week ago. 64:59 I can press the button now. You want to bump again. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Listen. Just going back to… 65:06 meditation by marcus aurelius and it's for information purposes you know and also for inspiration purposes but anyone that's going to be in a powerful powerful position needs to know how to handle that power heavy head for sure that where the crowd and marcus aurelius head was you know one of the heaviest so i want to actually ask you guys because you were talking about what comes with it 65:30 For some reason, anytime there's an artist that's popping, whether it's from like the Val or Durban, Cape Town, whatever, they always obviously feel the need to move to Joburg or Gauteng to make it big. Do you feel like Joburg is kind of like the Hollywood of South Africa? Like this is where the industry is. Where does he live? 65:51 He lives in Johannesburg. 65:52 He lives in Joburg. They left the valve. Why couldn't they be successful from home? 65:58 They asked Spista. Alright. First of all, Spista didn't leave the valve. You can't leave the valve. Like, I can't. You know, that's where I'm from. But I finished school and yes, babe, I had to... 66:11 Well, back in the day, even back to the conversation we're having about real celebrities, real media, you had to be at an urban brew. You had to be around a red pepper in Linden. You had to be ready in Johannesburg in order for you to be somebody also to build a brand. That's it. That's what it was. Think about it. 66:35 And it still lives at wherever they're from, but it's like doing well. Like they come here, they... And then they go back home. Because they are artists like that, right? 66:43 Then they just like you. You're really dope and they like you as Shamisa Moussaka in your community. 66:48 Like you're a pittori artist. 66:50 But you want to go... I hear that. But take it out of South Africa and Joburg. You've got experience from MTV. Right? Everybody had to come to? Johannesburg. South Africa. Doesn't matter whether they're from Lagos, Abuja. 67:04 Oh, like our other teams. Yeah. 67:06 All the studios. 67:07 Everything. 67:08 All the artists. All the DJs. All the radio stations. We're here. It's the makeup for the whole African continent. 67:16 Do you think there's someone who is... Sorry to break your word. I'm being like you guys. 67:21 Do you think there is someone who... Who is like really doing well? But then it's like, yeah, I come to Joburg. Maybe I'll come for like a weekend for my gig. And then I'm going back to wherever I'm from. 67:33 But they do... Tugzin. Tugzin does it very well. 67:36 Oh, he's from Durban? 67:37 Yes. Tugzin is very well. Tugzin is from Reimsheim. But he's the mayor. He's from Reimsheim. He's from the West Reimsheim. No, he's not from Reimsheim. He's from Reimsheim. No, he lives in Reimsheim full time. Come on. Tugzin is doing it well. Because he doesn't reside in Johannesburg. Mm-hmm. But remember I told you they got a place up the road from us because he realized he was spending too much money on hotels and stuff. Might as well get an apartment. So I know Dugzin is on like a lease. 68:11 And yes, he does it very well, to answer your question. Because Dugzin is not just in a Johannesburg-Durban. He could be in New York, he could be in Quebec, he could be in fucking Narspreet. 68:23 So as an artist and DJ, you can be really successful, I feel like, in Johannesburg and Durban because Cape Town is a bit too niche, right? Cape Town is a bit too hippie. 68:32 Even at Dawson. At Dawson, you need to get flown. Is that a real... Is that English? Flown. 68:38 Flown, yes. 68:39 Flown, yeah. You know, Dawson has his audience via the Deep House and stuff. We have Sundays in Cape Town. But all the big Lenterdag, Marble last week, all the big festivals that want that sound, they'll bring Dawson down. However, Dawson also knows, and Dawson will tell you, you'll be like, I also understand that there's only so much I can do within my city. At some point, I need to always touch base. 69:06 So as two people that have managed artists, if you found someone that you felt like was really, really talented, they don't have the means to move here, but you really believe they could go places, would you be like, come stay with me? I can't manage you from a distance. 69:22 I'm sure they've done it. As producers, I'm sure you guys have done it. 69:25 They're just grateful later on. No two secrets. I've done it a lot of times. They're just grateful later on. Once they make it. And I stopped because of that. But I had somebody… It'd be like that. 69:37 It happens. I get that. 69:39 They're not getting me anymore bro. I'm done. I'm out. So… I had somebody asking me… Why… Why are we… Jobeck, just more interested on artists that are in Jobeck. And we never talk about artists in David, like Zagwe, Duncan, Distraction Boys. Loki. And you get what I said. And I said to him, As an artist, it goes back to what I was saying. 70:09 As an artist, you need some kind of talkability. Be at Babes Wodum or somewhere. Wake up in the morning, just insult somebody, for instance. You get what I'm saying? Wake up in the morning and just go to someone, for instance. And then we will see, you know, we got to talk about you. 70:25 So the artists outside... How healthy is that, though? Let me finish. Because nowadays, babe, there's no such thing as... The bad publicity is actually bad. It's bad. I don't think it's good. I've never heard it say that you and I take cocaine. I don't want that. That's not the publicity I want. I work with brands, dude. Yeah, but that I understand. I don't like that. But people will always accuse you of taking drugs. That's not the publicity. That's just some bullshit. 70:51 No, when you're famous... People always accuse you of taking drugs. They have something to say, bro. You understand what I'm saying? And you need to be able to take it. You need to have the emotional intelligence. 70:58 But isn't he famous too? Aren't you on the same table? 71:01 No. That's the problem. Why are you doing that? 71:04 So let me finish my question. When we're sitting together, ready? Let me finish him. What must 5FM think? What must 5FM think? Hold on, hold on. I've got advice for you. 71:12 I would advise you, next time you see him, make him sign an NDA, okay? Make him. If you can do that, then we've got a prize for you. No, I don't care. I don't care for the man. So let me finish. I'm just like, why are you going to do that? 71:24 Let me try to finish, Pista. So what I was saying to that person is that… Make everybody sign an NDA. When I said, just wake up and go at someone, it was just an example. Do something, create content, be a content creator and whatever. And people in their band are so relaxed. I'll give you an example of Mkhilani. Glenn is heavy in content. How many times has he shot his head naves? 71:44 He just shot his head naves on Friday. Everybody's always saying he's on drugs. Like 20,000 comments every single time he posts. But he's getting brands right now. Yeah. 71:55 He was like a dancer guy. But he even said in the one interview where he's like, no guys, I don't take drugs and I don't even drink alcohol. He doesn't. He told him. But people say it all the time about him. 72:06 And that's what I'm saying. So you need to take it with grace, dog. 72:08 Sean Spee and Maeve just dropped. Sheesh, fuck. I know it's a... No, Sean Spee and Maeve, because they support Sundance. What I'm saying is, babe, you know the conversation... You won't come on the show. The conversation of like... Not a chance. Like a Vinny, right? I love Vinny, you know? Yeah. You know what became difficult with Vinny after everything he did is that he didn't have a craft. He didn't have a skill set. He did. He did. Wait, wait. I don't want to be concerned. I'm just saying like with this guy, right? He took his hype and was like, okay, let me start getting on songs, whatever. 72:41 Now he's DJing now. Now he's DJing. He's doing a good job. 72:46 And I'm not trying to shit on Vinny. What I'm just saying is, I had this conversation. Zoto Abantu also did it for a while. I had this conversation with Java and Kasper at the Entepe video. I was like, fuck, I feel sorry for the boy because… I don't know what transpired. I can't talk about it too. But unfortunately, Vinny never had a skill. 73:09 So you were never able to be like, okay, he'll get gigs. 73:13 I love his sets or I love his whatever. 73:17 There was no skill. Exactly. Exactly. 73:20 But it's not too late for him. 73:21 No, it is. I agree with that. No, let me tell you why. No, let me tell you why. No, no, it's not too late. Someone who's famous for a skill, a talent, and someone who's famous for being famous. Famous for being famous never lasts long, unfortunately. And you cannot now go from famous for being famous. But he still has time. I still agree with that. Because let me tell you what a skill does. We're not writing him off though. A skill takes you from 0 to 100. People see you starting out. Yeah. You know, when you're just a good soccer player. Mm. And then you become a really good soccer player. Do you understand? 73:52 Go international. That stuff. People see you from the beginning. Humble beginnings. They see you starving. They see you sacrificing for it, right? And then by the time you make it to the top, they see you having earned it. If you're famous for being famous, right? You've not earned anything, unfortunately. And people are jealous of that. 74:10 That's the thing. 74:11 I'm not even trying to shit on Vinny, but that's what it is, you know. And you know, he grew up in Joburg as well. He doesn't have a skill. 74:20 Well, I said he didn't suit me. 74:21 I make it with you because he can still learn. He was a good presenter. It's tough to make it in your own city. Was it MTV or your TV? He never used to pop at the show. Stop. 74:32 No, no, it's not even about that. 74:34 That's the thing. I actually don't want to… As the only girl sitting in a room with men that I feel like this… And this show is not about that type of discourse. I don't want to talk about someone with the allegations that he has. I don't feel comfortable about that. So I would rather not… If you guys don't mind. 74:54 So to finish the whole thing, for me, I said, I don't really think it's a must move to Jobek. I don't really think it's a must move. But if you get busier, you have got to be in Jobek. 75:05 Yeah, you've got to up and down. 75:06 You get busier. It's a must move. Just like if you're serious about making money as a brand, you need to move to Cape Town. 75:15 He was going up and down. He knew. Let me tell you something. He was on the red show. Yeah. 75:19 You remember that one? I see that. I see that. But even that, those are like small-time influencer campaigns. They're not like real big. No, no. I'm talking about Tira. I know. Tira, nah. You have to be up and down. Nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Tira didn't set the tone for me for anything. You know what I mean? Ah. 75:36 Wait, wait, wait. 75:37 Let me make my point. No, no, no, no. 75:41 There's no point to make that. Let me point. There's no point to make that. There is no point to make. Deben music industry in the whole became relevant in Johannesburg and in South Africa because of DJ Tira and only DJ Tira. Everybody else came after. Relax. That's true. Come on. 76:01 Come on. 76:02 You got to put some respect into that nigga's name. You don't do that. 76:06 Period. Even that other time we were talking about the Louis Vuittons or whatever. Wait, you know English very well. So understand this, right? And the level of brands. 76:15 Cabelo Mabelane had a Reebok sneaker. 76:28 Who's that? Oh, as in, sorry, as in Booga Love, sorry. Ask your mom. 76:32 No, no, Booga Love, sorry, sorry. Ask about the camp. 76:34 You guys are just OSing me. 76:35 Hey, don't shout at my girlfriend. 76:37 Don't shout at my girlfriend as well. She knows him very well. 76:39 Don't shout at my girlfriend. Okay, my bad. Don't raise your voice with money. My bad, my bad. 76:43 Okay, we're at work here, please. Please, let's be professional. So, we're professional boxers. So, as I'm saying, WHP, Kabelo Mabalane, Mendoza. You know, those are people that have shown us what you can do with brands, like the levels. But we're talking about Durban. Yes, no, I'm talking about... Yes, I understand his point is about Durban. 77:02 Yes. 77:03 We're talking about having to move to Joko. No, we're talking... Don't disrespect DJ... I'm not disrespecting him. He's not setting the benchmark for branding. He didn't. 77:14 That's why a Galatugzin can have an apartment or a house in Johannesburg. Galatugzin having an apartment is not... I was too young for a 2010 World Cup. Listen, how was you still in 2010? 77:25 Okay. 77:37 I was with Tita Z in 2010. Yeah, but I was with Tita Z in 2010. Yeah, but I was with Tita Z in 2010. 77:41 Yeah, but I was with Tita Z in 2010. Yeah, but I was with Tita Z in 2010. Yeah, but I was with Tita Z in 2010. I was with Tita Z in 2010. I was with 12 in 2010. I was on a 10 million rand MTN tour in 2010. I was getting 400 rand per DMs in 2010. You see, you can't control your temper. 77:52 I was in grade six in 2010. 77:54 You understand? You're in grade six. So that's 2010. So when I'm speaking about branding, right? I don't know industry. I'm speaking about the level. Don't bring your personal feelings for Tita. I'm not dissing it. You see, you can't control your temper. It's not about trigger points. I'm trying to make a point for our audience to learn something here. Okay, so you guys disagree? We're not disagreeing. What I'm trying to say is this. 78:15 That artists do thrive better in Johannesburg, but you feel like Tira wasn't the pioneer for that type of open up between. 78:22 And I want to make an example. He's being snucks about it. 78:25 I'm not being snucks. Like Spiso say, Tira was the benchmark. I'm trying to give you proper examples. I'm trying to say he's not a benchmark. Tira's not a benchmark for branding. Not for branding. For putting on a scene from somewhere else. If Tira didn't do anything in the music industry, you'd done shit as well. 78:42 No, but don't. Come on, man. Don't degenerate the show. We already have one person. Look, look. Listen to what I'm saying. 78:50 Sometimes you are not the first, but you're the most impactful. 78:55 Yes, and he wasn't. What do you mean, bro? I'm talking about... Wait, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Do you understand what I'm saying? You don't even know who Ralph McPita is. Exactly! That's the fucking CEO of MTN Group in Africa! That's my thing, man! Control your temper, Chief! The levels of these brands! Control your temper, Chief! We're the ladies in the show! 79:26 No! The guy who sponsors the MTN 8! 79:28 Jennifer, the guy who Sundowns was playing for. Sundowns, right? And Pirates were playing to entertain Rob and Peter. Shout out. Sponsor the podcast. 79:37 Everyone, let's bring it down one at a time, please. Shout out. Shout out, Rob. Sponsor the podcast. If we're saying shout outs, I want to say shout out to DJ Zintler. She has opened a new era store in Newcastle. Because we have to talk about people beyond. 79:51 Moving out of your bed. 79:53 She is from Newcastle. 79:56 Beyond the music. Yeah, she took it back home. Which is beautiful. 79:59 It's a better target market, I guess. 80:02 And I have a friend that was rocking. Remember my friend Shorty? Shorty, yes, yes. Rocking the big era handbag. I always see people rocking the earrings. I understand why she's… pushing and pushing and pushing. 80:15 And that even goes back to that conversation of the old celebrities and new celebrities. 80:21 Yeah, she's one of the OGs. 80:23 And she's done it so well where she's really monetized it. 80:27 Now, can you say on a branding level, if it was on her level? 80:31 Yes, he is. Who? DJ Dira, Affotainment. Come on, dude. 80:36 Come on, bro. 80:38 You're a businessman. You're in the music business. Based on what you say? From a branding. 80:45 Just from a branding. Just from a branding. Does Dira have a hit reality show? Does Dira have, like, hit collaborations with big brands? Is he on Knorr ads in every single household? Dog, do you know what Knorr is? It's in every single kitchen in this country, dog. No, that's the truth of the matter, dog. Having an Honor Phone sponsorship. Sorry, my bad. Having an Honor Phone sponsorship. Not everybody has an Honor Phone, dog. It's not a top-level brand, dog. That's what I'm talking about. 81:15 So when you look at DJ Zintle, she's in the Knorr ad, dog. That's a different level of branding. She's on billboards for... fast, movable, consumable goods, not electronics. 81:26 But just you assuming that they appeal to or sell to the same market. 81:29 It's not about appealing to the same market. But the impact is massive on both their friends. Zintle appeals to a bigger market. That's why her impact is bigger. That's why she's in each and every single household with her product. There isn't a household that's left out of the product that she's advertising. Let me use myself as an example. Akeman did an ad with DJ Zintle. 81:44 Okay, Let me use myself as an example, Nota. Me, I have a specific audience that might like my type of vibe because I'm big on being rough around the edges. I'm tatted up. I've got tattoos on my face. I swear like a pirate. You know what I mean? 81:58 Not really, but yeah. 81:59 You know what I'm saying? 82:00 Yeah, you're a lady. Yeah, I'm working on it. You're a lady. 82:02 But you know what I'm saying? And then there might be someone else that comes with a clean girl aesthetic. But both of us have our audiences and it's hard to measure all the time, especially with big people like Zinke and Tira, who is bigger in a household because the people that... 82:20 Gnor is trying to sell to are not the people that fill up any of Tira's events in Durban or what why we call them the mayor or whatever the case may be I don't feel like you can compare the two you can't compare me to the sweetest cleanest girl in the world you can't exactly the girl in the lux ad is bigger than the DJ alright hear me out hear me out the girl in the lux ad because everyone needs that soap the girl in the dove ad who has a no deal 82:45 Who? 82:46 Who has a no deal? 82:47 Zinclair. Zinclair. Yes. Right? 82:49 No, yeah. Oh, is it No? My bad. Zinclair has a no deal because she's played her part in the sense of being herself, pushing her own things. Being a mother. And that's why No would want to call her. She can't even cook. Yeah, hold on. Let me land. Cairo told us. Let me land. Let me land. Don't get spicy, right? 83:07 I'm 83:13 You could find tomorrow that Fort Figo calls you as Nota. No, they wouldn't. Guess why? Because maybe you're speaking to, like you're saying, the audience they're trying to get you via the network. Right? So what I'm saying is, I don't believe on shitting on people's success, especially people at DJ Zinclair. We're not shitting on people's success. No, I'm not saying we're shitting on people's success. Yeah, Sviso's trying to make it like that. 83:44 No, Sviso's trying to make it like that, but I wasn't. I don't, I don't, I don't. No, because you won't speak about Zinclair. You still won't do Rebecca. Because that's what... Because I'm bringing up Zintler and how big her brand is. 83:53 Because comparatively speaking... I don't like us sitting here... She doesn't have a fact Durban Rocks. She's got a Z Nation festival. Shitting on a DJ Tira. What do you mean? 84:02 She's got a Z Nation festival, which is a new festival. Tira had fact Durban Rocks for a long time. He brought people there, dog. We used to beg to be on that stage. I remember standing at the bottom of the stage. So why would you sit on the instance and shit on him? That don't make no sense. I'm trying to make a point about positioning. 84:18 If you position your brand as I'm the reckless chick or I'm the happy-go-lucky chick, you're not going to get the Lux Girl ad. 84:26 Yes, but then you accept who you are, right? So you've accepted who you are as a very controversial figure. 84:32 And I know that I don't want brands. 84:33 And I've accepted who I am as someone that maybe is, like I said, I'm not the sweet, clean girl, rose petals aesthetic. 84:39 And some brands will want someone else other than you. 84:44 Do you know what I mean? I've accepted that. So I'm saying that let those two brands exist separately, but they're both very successful. 84:50 Sorry, sorry, sorry. We're not going to compare the truth. 84:53 I had to accept something. Hold on. Even though we're podcasting, whatever, Akihane, we're free to say whatever, we must not, like, forget, like, what people have done, Mona. Really do. Can I put your mind at ease? Can I put your mind at ease? And talk shit about a DJ's legacy. This is no way. I cannot do that. 85:12 Let me have a take. No, let's share. 85:16 Let me have a take. No, hold on. Wait, wait. Let's shout out DJ Zinte opening up a store. Let's clap for her. We got Zinclair. We're not trying to get a fourth single ad. Can I finish, bro? Can I say something? 85:29 You guys had this topic and I kept quiet. Diesel is like, how much is Diesel now? Can I speak? Leave it, leave it. Now people will think I'm quiet because I don't understand English, but I'm listening to you being dumb, dog. About what? Dog. Fuck. 85:42 I thought you were smart until now, dog. 85:45 I don't. 85:45 No, no, no. Let me finish, bro. 85:47 Okay, I want to continue, dog. 85:48 No, I want to finish, bro. 85:49 Make the show about me. No, I want to finish. I want to finish, bro. If someone was watching, like, you would know to meet his matches. 85:56 No, I'm happy that I take a break. That's cool. But I'm like, you're my co-host. You must stand for the show, nigga, bro. You can't be dumb in front of guests, dog. 86:05 Nigga, bro, it's crazy. 86:06 Like, bro, how do you even think of comparing DJ Tira to DJ Zinke? 86:12 How do you compare the seed to the fruit? Are you okay? 86:18 What is the seed? Can't do that. I can't do that. Let me finish. I can't let you finish. I can't let you finish because you are not invited to Oskiro's house. I am. You don't speak to Jagarumba backstage. I do. Do you understand what I'm saying? 86:30 You weren't there in the room when Shabu Sobosaka was born. I was. 86:35 You understand? You understand? You understand? Exactly. Relax. So, well, I could have been, yeah. I could have been. I could have been watching. 86:44 Guys, I don't want you guys to get angry or whatever. 86:49 And I'm on special side in this instance. 86:52 Yeah, you can. Because hear me out. Let me speak. 86:56 Okay, sorry, my bad. Sorry, sorry. I say that because, like I said, we can't sit on the internet and just… Yeah, but aside from that… Let me speak. 87:05 Can I please finish? 87:06 Yeah, yeah. And I'm not… Yeah, no, I get you. Let me finish. I got you. I know you're ADHD. I'm also ADHD. Let me finish. 87:13 And that's why it's supposed to get like that with you because you don't let people finish. Just let them finish. And then honey, you're the authority, no problem. According to him. With all of the experiences. We've all had our own different… According to him and his damn things. I'm not trying to… All I'm saying is that like… I understand this podcast. But we cannot sit and disregard legacy of what people have done in the music industry in this country, in South Africa. 87:48 We cannot sit here and talk shit about a DJ dealer. Maybe if a DJ dealer is drunk or whatever, he's lit on the thing, one of those videos where he can be like, oh, my boy was lit. 88:01 But we cannot sit here and pretend like he doesn't. 88:05 Again, the narrative is that, no, no, you're shitting on him. And I understand that's what you guys want to get out there. But the truth of the matter is that I was not shitting on him. What I'm trying to say is exactly what you're trying to say. We cannot shit on people's legacies by actually misunderstanding. appropriating the value of their brand. Yes. When I say that a TKZ brand, hold on. A TKZ brand comes long before. I'm too young for a TKZ. I don't understand TKZ. Okay, what you don't understand is that black men did not have endorsement deals before TKZ had those opportunities in 1995. Stop believing in our case. 88:35 I don't care. I don't care. Don't interrupt me. 88:38 We're young, man. 88:46 I'm being accused of interrupting everybody. We're going to watch this show afterwards. And I haven't, I haven't finished my point. My point is this, is that there are certain brands that have done certain levels of things that we need to respect and understand so that we can fully appreciate what brands like TJ Zinte are doing right now. We can fully appreciate what brands like DJ Zintla are doing right now because we've seen clothing brands opening up stores around the country and not being able to sustain that. 89:11 And it's her actual shit. She's not just a front or the face of something like a lot of people have. She makes and manufactures that shit herself. 89:16 And we've seen fronts come into the game. You know what I mean? And dip out. 89:20 You know what I mean? We've seen companies on life support until the drip runs out. 89:26 You know what I mean? Multiple truths can be... Multiple things can be true... Can be... What? 89:31 What? This is crazy. What? I heard what you said. But carry on. 89:34 Multiple things can be true at once. 89:37 You fucked up. 89:37 But you know what? I want to actually get to... I actually want to get to Suiso's beat break. Because there's... 89:45 Nota's pissing spits off. Look at him. He's OS. Aren't you guys OSing each other every week? You guys get OS. 89:52 Every week. 89:53 What do you mean? Overstimulated. 89:55 Oh, shit. Like we both get very overstimulated. What is that? We don't speak therapy. Yes, that's the thing. 90:00 No, it just means when like your nerves are shot because there's too many. 90:04 It sounds like you guys got that from here. No, I'll tell you why. Okay, you guys go to therapy. No, we don't. You don't go to therapy. 90:10 I give him therapy. 90:11 I go to therapy and I give it to him. Can I speak? 90:13 I've diagnosed you with ADHD, babe. 90:15 Oh, yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah, exactly. We're self-talking. Guys, let me speak. 90:19 Guys, let me speak. We're not on CHI-FM. Oh. What? 90:23 Why? Why didn't they let you speak on CHI-FM? Why are you? 90:30 I said yes. What the… Now you guys want me to be doing this thing. No, we're not doing that. 90:37 You guys now want me to be doing this thing. 90:40 Are you going to break the beat? Wait, hold on. I want to say something. It's very important before I do the beat break. And no one interrupt. And also, please… No, it's a section. I usually take a… Especially if it's a hip-hop, I'd like to hear how you beat break a hip-hop song. No problem. So I can learn. I'd like to learn today. So… What? Why are you laughing? 91:03 Music is music. No, I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. 91:08 They just have to be here. If they're looking. If they check good nigga. They check good nigga. Have you guys ever had a bride? 91:19 Like kids two on a weekend together. 91:21 Do you know Spiso's family like… Kids. 91:25 No, no, no. Why not? No, he doesn't know my kids. No one knows my family. My kids. 91:29 You have kids? You don't have kids nigga. No, I don't. Otherwise you are not raising the ears my brother. 91:36 Okay. I raise everybody. But that's weird because like, if I call you a friend or a colleague or whatever, at some point, I'm going to meet your kids. Do you know what we need to invite you to? We develop talent. 91:49 Hold on. We develop talent. Wait, wait, wait. So we understand the game. And once you cross the professional lines and you get burnt for crossing professional lines, you learn not to cross professional lines. If you limit your interaction to where you need to work… Okay, so you guys don't like each other. No, we don't hurt each other. No, you don't. It's we want to keep our work working. We want to keep our working relationship fresh. I go chill with Phil and Londi and her... You guys don't like each other. No, it's not about that. 92:21 That's why those things don't last. And this thing has lasted. 92:24 Which things? 92:25 Don't say has also because you knew. 92:27 What? 92:28 You knew is like me, I'm new. No, I'm not too much this. 92:30 I'm not too much. Our relationship, right, has lasted longer than anybody predicted. Since the beginning of the show, episode one, people said, nah, this show is going to break up at the end of the day. Look who's still here. Do you love each other? 92:42 I'm just saying. 92:43 Do you love each other? The people that they said would not be able to work together are still here, even now. Do you have some sort of love for each other? Hold on, wait, let me tell you something. Jay-Z said it, dog. 92:56 I'm not coming to your fucking wedding, Kanye. My house is on fire. Do you understand what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. We prioritize our work and our work needs us to have an energy. No, I understand it. We're excited to come to work. You haven't answered my question. Wait, if I'm chilling with Sviso, we annoy each other during the day, whatever. You annoy him more than... You're not listening to me. Sviso seems calm. You're not listening to me. 93:16 I won't lie. You're not listening to me. It's fine. I'm a rage baser, right? That's what I do. He seems calm. 93:21 I could be wrong, but he seems calm. It's fine. I'm teaching him how to rage bait. So, anyway. Okay. 93:27 our relationship is kept fresh by the fact that by the time we get to our shoot date we miss it No matter what happened on the shoot. We could have irritated each other on the shoot, right? But we've had an entire week of being apart to miss it. Do you understand what I'm saying? And each and every time we come back, right? And we're on the spot and the cameras are on, we hit it. Okay. For a six. Do you understand? 93:51 Without fail. I understand because you guys are professionals, right? Consistency. I'm just saying and I'll keep it brief because I'm not going to go there. Like for instance, I work at 5FM for five hip-hop nights with shows and medallion. Yeah. I, during the week, call Shavzi Medellin and I'll ask him how he's doing. And Shavzi Medellin and I have a relationship outside of 5FM. 94:12 But it's not like it's too much. That's what I was asking about. It's too much. I call him when I need him. 94:17 He calls me when he needs me. That's it. Otherwise, we come to work. 94:19 So there is some sort of love there, even if it's love. 94:22 Whenever he needs me, I'm there, doggy. It's been like that for years even before we were on the show. Just love, hate, but love. Even before I was on the show, I used to call him almost after each and every single episode. Every single episode, you would have an hour-long conference with me. You can go through our WhatsApp histories. 94:39 Yeah. 94:40 Before I was even on the show. 94:42 You understand that? Brotherhood. So I'm just saying. What was this show again? Piano Pals. Oh yeah, fuck. You didn't talk about hip-hop back then. We didn't talk about you back then. That's why you're mad now. 94:52 Hip-hop with dick. 94:53 Damn. I'm not mad anyway. You're not mad. You're happy. But it was boring. You're accepting it. Let's keep it back when it's boring. What? A party is boring without some hip-hop. Let's be honest. Yeah. You can't have an old piano party. 95:03 When we started dating, when she's like, yo, babe, by the way, can you please accompany me to the launch of the... I'm like, what are you talking about, lady? She's like, no, babe, they're doing new shows. 95:11 What, whatever. Can you come there? 95:13 He was there. 95:14 Oh yeah, you're a supportive boyfriend. You have to be, Doug. You have to be. That's a light-skinned nigga thing to do. No, it's not even about that. It's not actually. It's actually the opposite. But at least we're trying to… He's the best boyfriend I could ask for. Why should I not? There's things that… Black women… Why should I not? There's things that good dark niggas are known for. I'm a light-skinned nigga. We're not gonna name him. We're not gonna name him. 95:37 We're not gonna name him. We're not gonna name him. 95:39 You got it too. Relax. 95:40 You're the anchor. What time does the show finish? 95:42 Okay. We need to get to beat break. Beat break. But when I wanted to beat break, your dad started… Don't interrupt. Stop interrupting. 95:51 No, we've got it. 95:53 We're still… Just to help or say something about what he was saying. I do have a good relationship with Noza. It's just that if I disagree with what he says, I disagree if he disagrees with what I say. Which I like. And we are both like… It's real. Yeah, like, you can't. Like, no, it's real. And we're record executives. 96:11 This is how record executives talk, dog. 96:13 And where have you ever seen a record executive that doesn't give you a test? 96:16 Don't take the mic away from him, Nota. But we do. 96:19 So we do. Yeah. So, and I'm just an honest person as much as I can, bro. If you're going to do something I don't like, whether it's you, whether it's Lonely, whether it's him, I'm going to get your number, I'm going to call you and I'm going to be like, Doc, that one was off. That's it. Are we beefing? If we're beefing, let's go all the way. Let's not do halfway shit. You get what I'm saying? So I'm that type of person. 96:40 Not really. What does all the way mean? 96:42 I bounce this way. So… 96:45 You want to let me pay some bills first? Yeah, yeah, let's pay some bills, bro, before we beat break. At all the way. 96:53 Back end. If I need to. If you're an Amapiano producer and want to make extra cash, make sure you upload your unreleased music tracks on SyncMusicStudio.com. If you're a content creator looking for royalty-free Amapiano music, head on to SyncStudioMusic.com to avoid any strikes on your video. Don't you hate it when you get strikes? You know what I mean? And it's like monetization. It's so annoying. And you need that bag. Sync studiomusic.com royalty-free Amapiano music at your fingertips. 97:22 Ezeja. Ezeja. Here we clap when someone can read properly. 97:26 Hey man, I'm a bit breaking 10-triple-one. Oh, don't go. It's that school of fish. 97:32 Oh, beautiful song, man. It's from Zetu. Zetu is signed by Oskido. You should know Zetu. Do you know Zetu? 97:36 Yeah, I think so. 97:38 Please remind me. I know a lot of people. You think so? 97:40 Zetu signed by Oskido. Zetu. Oh yeah, from idols. At some point. 97:45 Oh no, Zetu, yes. I'm sure he's so grateful for… He signed it like four, five years ago. For PD jokes, eh? 97:49 Because PD jokes makes Hotman Oskido's content so like… It brings his younger… What's it called? 97:57 His Nina Younger. What's the right English? No, no, no. 98:00 You guys… This is what I hate. Hypocrisy. 98:03 Hypocrisy. Hypocrites! How dare you disrespect the OG Oskiro like that? Did you see Oskiro jamming it with Vmash on Jam Alley back in the day? He was the hype man. He was the guy who was putting people on. He was the comedic one, dog. He was the guy who was fighting people over hot dogs. Why does the inner child we are speaking about have to do with what you're saying? That inner child is still alive, dog. Oskiro's been that nigger, dog. No. I was talking about PD. I know. Don't give PD props. He doesn't deserve. 98:33 Why not? He does a great job. Moskino's that guy, dog. 98:36 I understand that. He's always been a clownish guy. He's always had a funny energy about him. I understand that, but no time. 98:41 Can we talk about the music and not the content, please? 98:43 I just wanted to get paid. Can I continue with your beat break? I'm coming now. PD is really good at what he does. No, shout out to PD. Don't be like that. He should host a game show like Summer Summer or something. PD is really good at what he does. He is. He is. He's really good. 98:55 Okay, Swiso, back to your beat break. Sorry about that ad break. Let's get back to the beat break. 99:00 You done, Chief? 99:01 I'm done. 99:02 Thank you. 99:05 It's called 10111. It's from Zaytu. Signed by Oskido. Again. The root man that we respect. Beautiful vocalist. Worked with her. Been in the studio with her. Wrote some music for her. 99:15 And unlike you… I'm listening to you. Unlike other people… I'm listening to you. They just talk shit. We're listening to you. 99:20 They just talk shit. They send two melodies in a song. Then they say they wrote the whole song. Some of us write the whole song. So… I worked with her. She's a beautiful vocalist, man. 99:30 However, I do feel like… What's her name again? Zay 2. Zay 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. What song is she doing? 99:36 10 Triple One. She's on the song with Big Zulu. Big Zulu. Yeah, it's a beautiful song, man. 99:44 It's a Mascandi Afropop type of song. And this is hip-hop, you know. Big Zulu tries to think he can rap. 99:51 So he tried it there. What? 99:54 What the fuck? 99:56 Why are you doing that? Okay, yeah, carry on. Don't do that, Munda. What the fuck? You're throwing me off. I never knew of me. I was just like, what the fuck? Damn, why the fuck did I agree to be on this goddamn show? 100:08 I was like, what? 100:13 Carry on. 100:15 Your reaction kills me. Every time we say something, it's just like you, you, you, you. 100:21 That's not cooperating. 100:22 Then you caught me off. I'm like, what? But yes, yes, yes. 100:27 So Nota will agree with me? No, don't involve. Carry on with us. 100:31 You were telling me. 100:31 I'll come back. So it's a beautiful song. It's a love song. 100:37 Beautiful melodies, man. The songwriting, it's beautiful. In fact, because I've worked with Rachel, I don't think that her vocal abilities were well… the person who was exposed. Yeah, well exposed. The person who was recording her like was able to like use her properly. Her voice. Her full range. You get what I'm saying? I know her like that. She's one of the best vocalists you can't do. 101:00 I mean, I sat in a writing session with Spista back in the day. 101:04 Yeah, why not? 101:05 With Busi for celebration. I know, I know, I know. Hold on. Oh, my bad. 101:08 This is where you shut up. But hold that door. That's a nice story. Hold that door. This is where you… I got you, I got you, I got you. 101:16 Please… 101:17 But I understand what he was saying there in terms of radio. 101:20 I don't care what he was saying. I don't care what he was saying. No, this is my signal. 101:24 I really am in the court of law right now. Do one person talking. 101:28 So, I was saying her vocals are not well exposed the way I know her vocals, her abilities. She's a dangerous vocalist, bro. She's a girl that sang on… Was it… No, not Casper. It was… Search your phone, you got Wi-Fi. Scorpion Kings. 101:50 Sorry, which one? 101:51 Scorpion Kings. The National Anthem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where did she sing, man? 101:57 Which song? 102:00 Springboks. National Anthem, I don't know. 102:03 I remember, man. When I do, I'll come back with it. So I'm trying to say she's like one of the best vocalists I know. Female vocalists I know. And I feel like she… Better than Tyler. 102:17 I love Tyler. Tyler's not a vocalist. 102:19 Tyler's not a singer. Tyler's a pop star. 102:23 Now that you wanted to pay the bills, let me help you pay your bills. Fuck Tyler, fuck you. 102:27 I love Tyler. I love Tyler. That's crazy. They mean it. 102:35 All of them mean it. I know. That's why us, do they have a real relationship? 102:39 Do these two actually love each other? 102:41 We love Tyler. 102:45 We love Tyler. 102:45 No, you love Tyler. 102:46 Don't force it on him. No, we love her. 102:49 No, we love Tyler as a human being. 102:50 I criticized her just once and I got dragged forever, so I love Tyler. 102:53 Oh, but you hate her as a human being. No, I like her as a human being. That's what you say. I have all the time with Tyler as a human being. Look, look. 103:01 Oh, you were drunk. We just don't like the Ariana Grande. We're being drunk and dishonest. 103:08 I don't want to talk about Tyler, guys. Listen, Tyler. 103:10 Oh, yeah. 103:11 That's what I'm going to say. We love her. We love you, Tyler. Amen. 103:16 I love it. Now I get it. Remember they cooked her on the show. They said, how can Shamisa go yanking on the MetroFM Awards? And how can she come talk about Tyler? 103:27 Look at her face. 103:30 You know the podcast. 103:31 By the way, man, I was looking at my nephew. My newest nephew. He's four months old, man. And I'm looking at him, and I'm looking at his... Okay, document your life. But guys, but hold on, guys. If you're going to sabotage every single contribution that I make, my fans are going to hate each and every single one of you and want to compare who's got the most fans. You understand? So, as I'm saying... I might bang my lady. Wait. 104:01 No, wait, this is for you, Shamiso. Quickie. Let them fucking go. So I'm holding the baby in the hand. I'm looking at the baby. 104:07 I'm like, your mother has got tattoos. Your father has got tattoos. Your grandmother has got tattoos. And then I thought to myself, okay, Shamiso's got a future, maybe. You know what I mean? Maybe. Because I thought to myself, who's going to have a mother with all those tattoos? Ha ha ha! 104:28 And then my old nephew. My old nephew, man. I'm looking at my nephew. I'm looking at his mother with tattoos. Oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my Lord. If my grandmother was alive, oh, my goodness, to see this day. 104:43 It was a disaster. It was a disaster. 104:45 This is a bad experience, man. 104:47 No, no, no. No, continue with the beat break. I'm listening now. I'm listening. That's the truth of the matter. 104:53 This is a bad experience. Why? While we wait for them, I want us to talk about Cape Town, bro. What's happening in Cape Town? Road to 2 million. Can we please tell people in Kailija, Guguletu, Langa, Philippi, to buy the tickets. 105:08 I've got a comeback for you there. They're saying that the people whose job it was to promote this Road to 2 million are not doing enough. 105:19 That's the comment. The commentary is like, yo, your mandate on this show is that you're the guy that promotes Road to 2 Million. So why aren't we doing enough? Like, why isn't the hype being built up on the show like it should be? This is a big event. This is our big coming out party. This is our big showing out party. This is the first time you're going to have 3,000 people that came to see Sviso. I'm going to have to sue you. 105:41 Because you are lying. Why? And you have an NDA. Don't do that. Okay. Okay. 105:48 I've got an end here. I can't tell. 105:50 You got it. You got it. You got it. It's my responsibility. Okay, okay. Look, man. Cape Town is my hometown. I stayed in Kailij. I stayed in Greenpoint. So who's your responsibility? Hold on. Hold on. Allow me to finish. 106:04 I got you. 106:04 Right? 106:06 That's why I'm now inviting everybody from Epal, Worcester, Mbeguini, Mbeguini, and all of them. To buy the tickets. We're gonna have fun, bro. We're gonna probably do pop-ups five days before the event. We're gonna be in Cape Town five days before that. So... I don't know where we're going, where we're going. I'm sure that it's going to be on the network where we're popping up or where we're partying or where we're doing, meeting, greeting, whatever. I love it. But I think we're going to have so much fun in Cape Town. 106:36 I'm excited. 106:38 I know all the Cape Town people will laugh at my roast. 106:41 Okay. 106:41 Because I'll be probably the only one speaking a language that they understand. You see? How's Meg going to roast me in Venda? 106:50 In Venda? 106:52 Shamiso is going to rock me in white in English. 106:54 Listen, I'm looking forward to the roast. But Shamiso and I had a very important question. Is that, yo, can we leave our partners in our hotel rooms while we're busy rehearsing and everything? It's not like they're going to be interrupting us at work. Like, what the hell? Some of us have got like partners that we're public with. You know what I mean? We're not out there cheating, philandering, doing things that are not family friendly, that are going to get the sponsors into trouble or anything like that. Like, what's wrong with bringing urrechte? Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, if you work at, like, let's say, at SAB. 107:26 And your wife comes to a big SAB event, the big event. It's like the big event for the whole entire company, dog. Aren't you happy that your wife is there to give you a hug afterwards? You know, you've been roasted. Is there someone who's against, like, our partners potentially being… There's people that were saying that. People that don't have partners. 107:45 At team building. 107:47 Yes. 107:49 Yes. 107:50 Yeah. No, no. But I'm not talking about the actual thing. I'm not talking about the actual event. Okay, so can we bring our partners? Can we bring our partners? 107:59 I'm saying if your partner does not disrupt the work... I'm not Brian, why are you asking me? 108:06 I'm not Jason. You've got balance here. I'm not JJ. You've got balance here though. 108:11 I wonder, who is the teacher's pet of the network? Sviso. Sviso. Sviso, the best fiver. 108:18 I'm the teacher's pet. 108:19 Pet. What does that mean? Like you are the one that is like a good boy for the... 108:24 He's not a good boy. He just gets away with everything. We've waited five hours for this guy. 108:29 Oh, so do you think you are the favorite? Five hours sitting here waiting for him to drive from Pulukwane. 108:36 Or what? 108:37 Five hours away from where Pulukwane is now. I don't know. He's saying that you're the favorite apparently. 108:43 No, I want to know because… No, no, one thing I can say is I have a lifetime contract with Mac. 108:50 He comes to work drunk. You can't say I'm being drunk. Oh, no, no. Come on. No, but I… Come on, he did. Everyone saw it. Okay, okay. My bad, my bad, my bad. 109:01 My bad. And I'm picking up zombies here, babe. 109:05 Even if he was drunk, I'd want to… Wish I won my fistos here. You were fucked. Okay. 109:10 I was late. Hey, we're going to take you to OK Swisha. I did not deny you. I did not deny. 109:16 OK Swisha. 109:18 That's still a guy. So let me see. I did not deny you. I take full responsibility for the day. OK. Right? Yeah, you did. Hold on. I take full responsibility for the day. 109:31 Don't, don't, don't. He's the sumisi of the network. 109:34 No, no, no. Let's not bring other people in. You were saying what? 109:38 He's unfireable. I was just saying, I was just, I was saying, guys, guys. 109:43 Do you think I would fuck another man, bro? No, you wouldn't, but you're unfireable. 109:47 That's what Sumizi said. No, no, no, no. There's no such thing. We're all very… We are all replaceable, bro. You guys… Babe, you know… These guys… You guys must decide… What? In this podcast of yours… Are you going to give each other a chance to speak or not? 110:05 Who's the problem? Now that you're here, who's the problem? 110:08 You in the first 45, hour 15, and then you coming afterwards when you also are like, you know, this guy's ignored me so much, I'm going to. So you are retaliating. 110:20 He's the only one on the show that has his own segment. He has his own segment. 110:24 Well, hold on. I understand. 110:26 If you had a segment, it wouldn't end. 110:28 Yeah. True. True. Okay. 110:32 You guys must decide. Are you number one going to have the respect for each other to let one finish? No, we got mad respect. And number two, are you actually going to get points across? Because... 110:46 You're both so smart and so experienced. Okay, best friends in the house. 110:50 Do they let each other finish? Yes. Best friends. 110:53 You see what you just said, you're not letting him finish. 110:55 No Speedy, with your best friend as a guy, you're arguing about rugby. You interrupt each other but you don't mind it because your family don't. Do you not allow it? 111:04 Your question does not even… Sometimes your questions don't inspire answers. Because someone is just... They've accepted the fact that I'm not going to be able to finish my answer. To be heard. So if you say, Shamiso, did you like the fish you had earlier? 111:19 It's kind of like... And then while she's answering you... No, you can't be nonchalant. I really love it. Like what we're doing to her right now. We have to fight for this chair. It's a battle. Let me tell you something. The fans are battling. Right? The bloggers are battling. The clippers are battling. It's a fight out there. It's the Royal Rumble out there. They need to see the spirit of the Royal Rumble in here so that when they engage, they're on the same timing. 111:44 But when you choose a side in an argument, you want to have all of the knowledge. And if people are cutting each other off, you don't have notes as full point and you don't have Fiso's full point because no one got to finish. 111:57 But they show every Tuesday. He didn't finish his post. I understand, but you're learning every Tuesday. You're learning in small bites. That's the thing. You're learning in small bites and you're taking them in as much as you can chew at the time. 112:07 No, you can't say, we watch your guys' clips. We don't watch your shit online. We don't watch the shit. We're going to watch it now because we're on it. Do you pour petrol at the filling station? 112:18 No, you don't. 112:19 The guy pouring petrol… I do. 112:20 What do you mean? Do you pour the petrol? No. Does everyone come to engine and then see speed start? No. Exactly. When they go to engine… No. Hold on. Hold on. 112:28 You wait. You hoe. Okay. You hoe and exactly… Okay. I'm saying… My man. I'm saying… I think we had such a great vibe talking today, whatever, right? I just feel like... And you know, you're my guy. And you know, we speak on the phone. 112:46 I'm just saying, I feel like Spiso is trying to be on his side. But you never let him finish. And sometimes you guys are maybe saying the same thing. Castile, different fonts. And what I'm saying is, like I said earlier, I'm glad when you asked me, I'm like, I'm not... 113:05 listening to answer I'm actually listening to your question and being like oh shit let me think about I feel like you're engaging it's your guys show their show hey babe yes well it's our regular release but we don't own it McG can decide no problem but for one again it's like Spiso does want to engage with us and with the people that support the show. But I feel like you're going too much. And also obviously because you don't have real broadcasters normally. 113:38 You know, you guys are blessed that you guys… You got us here today. I mean… You know? So you never have real broadcasters that can be like… It worked! Okay guys, it's enough. Let's get to the next topic. And that's why my beautiful lady is the anchor of today. Because there's no falter. 113:54 Switzerland. 113:56 She's not the Inca. Please, please, please finish your feeling and what you wanted to say is Fiso. 114:04 Nota… Even when Shamiso and Leserho are gone here. 114:10 Let Sviso finish when he's speaking and vice versa. Okay. From observation for my first time here, babe, it looks like Sviso lets you finish. Oh, lovely. Let him finish as well. 114:23 And sorry if that feels unfair or if it feels biased. No, I know. 114:26 Sviso bribes you guys. You guys drink together. It's fine. Wait, wait, wait. No. 114:31 Cosmopolitan. Wait, right. 114:34 We ran into him a lot. We ran into him a lot. But also I just think that like always like... And I have a bad habit of doing that. Like if him and I argue, he'd be like, Chief, I'm not done. Do you know what I mean? So I understand the need to kind of interject when you feel like you're hearing something that you disagree with or whatever the case may be. But obviously people are here for both of you. And I... 115:00 really love the things that you guys talk about. I think that you both have so much to offer and say. And I do try watch musicals. But the thing is, I'm trying to watch it at night after I've had a long day. I'm trying to de-stimulate myself from the world. And then I must hear two niggas fighting. 115:18 We are us. 115:19 So now you're overstimulating me again. 115:21 And it's like… Yes, OS. 115:24 So the topics are amazing. And the knowledge you guys have is amazing. But if you aren't like… Not overstimulated. You can't sit and listen to you guys yelling at each other because you actually end up being like... What the fuck am I looking at? 115:37 Change this. 115:38 I'm interrupting her right now. Even like... Do you like Marmite? 115:44 No. 115:44 Hold on, hold on. Even... I fucking hate Marmite. Even when you're speaking like... And... 115:53 the earlier days of read the room, she'd be like, oh babe, so what do you… And I'd be like, babe, I feel like you must let Phil and Londi speak. Right? I feel like you guys are speaking over each other. 116:06 And it did come to a point where even in the comments, they were like, yo, let Shamiso speak. She has a brain on read the room. 116:14 Right? 116:14 Well, she does have a brain. A very smart one. And Londi and Fulcon come back and be like, Shamisa thinks she's the star. No. It's a genuine like, yo, you're three different people on Read The Room that have three different perspectives. So give each other a chance. Mm-hmm. 116:34 Thank you, number one, for having us here on your guys' show. 116:37 And I love the show. 116:38 Thank you. It's a great show because like she said, you guys are so good. And you're super. But you need to give Spiso some time to speak. I won't lie. Okay, I heard you. I heard you guys. Thank you very much. 116:53 I hear that at every filling station. I hear that at every pick and cake. At every word I go to. I hear that everywhere. And what I say is that it's Marmite. 117:03 Most people fucking hate this shit. But the people that love it, swear by it, would kill for it. Do you understand? 117:09 And that's the type of fan base that people do. 117:13 But the people that love it, they defend it with their lives. And that's what we want to build with this show. We want to make people angry each and every single week. 117:21 Because it's impossible to please people. I'm being you. I'm going to be you. I'm going to be you. I'm going to be you to you. 117:30 Who is we? Did you agree? 117:32 No, exactly. Every week. Nota. I'm here to make people angry. I'll be quick. And then they give you information to try and expose me every week. I'm going to be Nota to Spiso right now. Yeah. What file do you have today? No. In that Marmite saw me. Yeah. Also, I understand that maybe Spiso likes a kota. 117:53 Yeah. Or likes a poloni sandwich. Okay, can you see what you guys are doing right now? You're doing what the middle chair is supposed to do. Mediate. So when there's degeneration between me and Spiso, someone is not doing their job. 118:10 Broadcast. 118:11 Between us. 118:12 And it's not us. Okay. That's what I'm saying. You understand? If you say to me, no, Nota, stop now, right? And you forcefully say so, right? And you know that that works. That's why you do it forcefully. You're not doing it out of disrespect. You're doing it because that's functional. I respect that. And I keep quiet. That's the attitude that you need to bring to the show. You need to understand who you're sitting next to, right? What they respond to, right? If they need you to say, yo, shut up now. I'm talking. 118:37 If you think that the middle chair is supposed to be the mediation chair... 118:42 There might be a effing day where you don't have a mediation chair. You're telling me that you can't look at your colleague, your most consistent colleague at this network and have the respect to be like, I don't need a Shamiso, a Mars, a Suzuki to tell me. No, that's the wrong one. 119:03 That's the Japanese brand. 119:04 To be like, no, to tell me that like, yo, you're getting over the line. I actually just beep you as an individual, even with no one here. 119:12 We did it. We did it right now. 119:17 We were talking nicely. 119:18 Outside of you guys being here, I understand the respect and you guys working together. I was just asking like, because for me, I was speaking to myself. We were like Will Smith and Jaden just now. 119:29 be the problem. I'm kidding. 119:32 But, I mean, MTV Base, Paramantes, like, her whole crew, Abokeh, D, Abokeh, Pursuit of Happiness. Everybody that was on MTV Base before they closed, you're good friends with them. Yeah. Not everywhere I've worked, Live Amp, Lameez, I'm like this, Loot Lab, Lameez, You're a buddy-buddy outside. Like… But where are you now? And that's why… Hold on. Hold on. Don't do that. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not done. Don't do that. Okay. Don't do that. 119:57 No, I'm saying you're separated now. 119:58 Don't do that. I'm not done speaking. Okay. My bad. My bad. I'm a big… Yeah. I'm a big guy. 120:03 Yeah. 120:03 And I respect all of you guys. Yeah. And I respect everybody. 120:07 Yeah. Please. You know, we're going… Let me finish. Okay. When you finish, I'm trying to hear your point. 120:13 Yeah. What I wanted to say is that I have always… I've always managed to have relationships with my colleagues. Right? Because it makes the show better. And I'm not saying you and Spiso. I am just saying from observation. 120:29 Why are you always interrupting the man? 120:33 I don't always interrupt the man. If you actually watch. No, no, no. This evening? If you don't watch. 120:37 This episode? 120:38 I'll tell you. Look at him. I'll tell you. There's a record. I could be wrong. There's a record of over a thousand comments. 120:45 Uh-huh. 120:46 Right? That state that I get interrupted more on the show than anyone else. Do you understand what I'm saying? And because there's a bias already, you think that Nota's gonna overtalk, right? So you interrupt him because already in the presence of your mind, you understand that he's branded as that guy that talks too much. Do you understand? And therefore, you always go to that. Even when… He's not even done with his points, even when he's keeping it short. 121:07 That's when he must be more quiet, dude. No, I... Because it's already... And guess what happens? There's also thousands of comments that say, you guys interrupt Nota. 121:17 And we're trying to listen to his points. We're trying to let him land. You talk a lot. Yes, but you need to let me land because there's an audience watching. No, you talk a lot to everybody. No. I do it for the service of the audience. I don't do it for the service of my co-hosts. 121:30 But if the audience, for me, like I said, I love the show, but when I watch it, I struggle with the fact that… You're not the target market. 121:35 We can't watch the show. That's fine. I'll keep it back. That's fine. We don't watch music class because… Let me… 121:40 Let me explain it in a way that doesn't seem as... 121:43 I can never be offended. 121:44 Okay. Okay. Thank you. I just... I don't want to offend you. 121:48 You can't. 121:48 We work together and I have respect for you. 121:51 But what I'm trying to say is that... You know when you're watching something... You're leaning back on the couch. You're trying to be relaxed. And when there's a bounce back of so many thoughts, words, voices, volume levels... It doesn't feel relaxing anymore. You know what I mean? So even when it comes to the whole interrupting thing or whatever the case may be, I don't necessarily just think it's about interrupting because I've noticed that sometimes you're not interjecting about the topic or you're interjecting in a way that the topic is relevant to you and you will make it make sense but for the people sitting here it's like huh because I mean we were talking about something then that's when you asked do you like Marmite before you explained and elaborated on that that sounds completely random what if I didn't understand the analogy please hold on So I'm saying that... 122:49 He knows the word analogy. So he must understand what an analogy is. So I'm saying that... What if I didn't? And she... Trust me. Don't play with the moussaka lady. I know. I know. I know very well. 122:59 So I'm saying that before you expanded on the Marmite thing... That would have seemed just like a rude random interruption where it's like, we're talking to Sviso about something. Why is he bringing up Marmite, right? And I understand the ADHD neurodivergent brain that goes in its ways. But I'm saying at the same time, you need to understand how that can feel like a disturbance to a viewer. And to me, it throws me off because I'm like, what the hell was I talking about again? Do you know what I mean? 123:30 And I get it because he always says to me, I wanted, oh, this face is as hot as Satan's toenails. And he's like, who the fuck says that? I said, me, nigga. 123:39 Yeah, because in hell, like... Me, nigga. The toenails must be hard. 123:42 So I understand having a creative way of speaking, but if you are interjecting creative ways of speaking while someone else is talking, it does cause a distraction that kind of feels like, huh? And it takes away from their points, which I feel like is invalidating. 123:58 And I understand all the entertainment. Do you get what I mean? Do you guys get what I mean? Entertainment value, all the things you said earlier, I get it, but... 124:08 To what extent? So now you're just here interrupting each other. And no one's finishing anything. Yeah, like not respecting… Sometimes you need to risk being hated so that others can be loved. 124:21 You guys never engage on the show. I'll keep it about it. You guys never engage on the show. You guys never engage. Oh, that's why they called us, babe. They don't conclude. That's why they called us. It's couples therapy. Because these motherfuckers can't engage. 124:36 Yeah, you guys went to social media therapists. 124:37 You never engage on the show. Oh, now you're going far. 124:40 Nope. 124:41 No, I got it. 124:42 Oh, you can go there. 124:43 Look, look at me. You can talk about that therapy. You guys never engage. 124:49 And having an engagement or a conversation requires one to listen to the other. 124:55 And conclude. To be like, okay, what is the conclusion? We've listed the problems. Nota, this. Swiso, this. 125:03 Can the audience conclude? 125:04 What is... No. No, no. No, they're the people that love you. 125:07 The audience are your fans. Like you said, your photos. No, they're not. No, no. They hate us, a lot of them. My man, they don't hate you. They love you guys. Trust me. They always say they hate us. Oh, DJ Spito, Shamiso, whatever. Talking shit, man. Babe, whenever we ask. They're like, oh, can we... 125:23 Trust me, they don't hate you guys. We're saying, and you can see, I can see it. It's my first time here on Music Pop. I can see it. Welcome. Spiso wasn't finished getting his points across. Okay, cool. And you were… Maybe then, guess what? 125:45 Yeah. You know, another thing is that I listen to things at three times a speed. No, no, no. 125:48 I'm not done. I'm not done. Now you're interrupting me. I'm still not done. 125:52 Yeah, I hear you. But you're slow. No, I'm not done. I think you're done before you're not done. I'm not slow. I'm not slow. I'm not slow. I'm trying to be… We're on the internet. Okay, to me, you're slow because I listen at three times a speed. 126:04 Yeah. Yes, because you have ADHD and your brain is rushing to a conclusion. I do the same thing. But our ADHD is different. Just have respect and listen. 126:13 I'm respecting it. I'm just explaining it to everybody who understands me. You know how they treat a DJ's speech and a Shabisa on the internet. I know that. So I have to be very... cognizant of what you're saying. You have to think about what you're saying. What I'm saying and how I say. That's what I'm saying. Man, he's even yawning. And that's why even us, I'm like, do you guys by any chance, like, give a quality chance to be like, yo, dog, like, I know we banter each other on the show, whatever. Do you want to go for a lunch? 126:41 Not a beer. 126:42 No, no, no. I hear what you guys are saying and I hear about the camaraderie and the rapport. 126:47 It's not camaraderie. No, no, no. 126:49 No, no, no. You guys. 126:51 The camaraderie and the rapport that you guys have fostered like within the industry. You tilt it, tilt it, tilt it, tilt it. At an angle, sideways. You put it sideways. 127:02 No, even more sideways than that. 127:03 I hope because this nigga been interrupting you the whole time. You haven't even got you. I hope you. I got you. 127:07 No, she's an expert. She's doing it, yo. 127:10 I've never had beer in my life. 127:11 Have you attended a bar before? 127:12 No, I just know how to tilt a glass. 127:13 She worked with Jamelia when she was young, that's it. 127:17 Yeah, when she was underage. 127:18 No, I was 19. 127:19 There's no more beer in the thing. Underage! There's no more beer in the thing, that's why. You can't be selling alcohol under the age of 21. 127:25 Let me see, let me see what else. 127:26 There's no more beer in the thing, that's why it doesn't. 127:28 You know what? Kanye Mars, I see why you left. No, no, these niggas really be driving you crazy. I can't. No, guys, listen. Okay, no. Let's just quickly do... It's a beautiful mess. Okay, let's just quickly do... 127:40 There's no beer in the fucking system. 127:42 Let's quickly do new releases and you have literally... I'm looking at you. No, Dudu, I'm looking at you, but I'm going to give them three minutes because my boyfriend is dropping a VAL project on the 29th of November. He's got a bunch of VAL artists that are so fucking talented and he's got some dope... artists that you already know of some big artists but we had a studio camp where everyone was super passionate and excited and it's actually some of the artists that aren't as big that are coming up with the best hits because this is going to be his greatest project these people actually don't talk about the music Alright, it's about time we get into the big debate. 128:23 I kind of feel like this whole episode has been a big debate. 128:27 So I would like for us to take the gloves off and put on some kitten mittens. You know what I mean? Some what? Kitten mittens. Come to a soft place with me. 128:38 Soft lightning. You're not from the North. You're from the Val, like for real. 128:41 It exposes you. Every time she talks North stuff, you're like, like kitten mittens. You've never put mittens on your kitten? I'm too much of the niggalations. I'm sorry, my bad, my bad. 128:53 I'm too much in like nigger business right now where I feel like let's do something that's nice and light. 128:59 Something that I have seen and spoken on before. So I feel a bit familiar with this topic. So obviously the DJ Top 100 dropped, right? We had DJ Shimza at 75%. 129:14 Black Coffee at… Shimza, he asked the DJ group that we don't put the DJ… Okay, Shimza, yeah. 129:21 Shimza at 75 and then Black Coffee at 14. 129:25 14.14, yeah. 129:27 David get it, number one. So I want to know, do you guys think it's still relevant, number one, to have a DJ top 100? And then number two… If you feel like it's relevant, who would you add to the list and where would you place them? Nota, I'm going to start with you. But when you're done, you must be done. 129:47 I'll be finished quickly. Yes. And speak in peace. And when you're done, you're going to be done. We're not going to interrupt you. No. When we speak, you must... Spiso. 129:57 Look at Spiso. Look at Spiso looking at him very soon. And then he put it to you like this. But no, for real. 130:01 Nota, when you're done, you must be done. You must let everybody else speak. I got you guys. I got you guys. There's something in the shots. Let's go. 130:08 So, West Shots is on his phone. 130:14 I think the DJ list, especially the international DJ list, is just like something for people to flex on. Like I made it on international DJ list and that gives it its relevance here. 130:24 But let's be honest. Afro nation, right, is not putting 30,000 people on a beach. 130:34 Black coffee is in Portugal by himself. 130:38 Oh, grave. You understand what I'm saying? By himself. Without Efronation, without Burner Boy, without Tyler, without who else was there? Airasta, without… Can I interrupt you if you don't mind? 130:50 Okay, sorry. I should be talking about DJs now. Is there a way we can talk about it with… without mentioning like a black coffee. Chief, we're not scared. No, I was asking. I've got court cases with them. I've got court cases with them, not you. 131:04 So let me be the one to... Yeah, you can. 131:07 For me, so black coffee is able to do that. 131:10 No, I'm serious. Black coffee is able to do it. He's number 14 on the list, right? 131:14 In my opinion, like, if we're being honest, how he's been growing, he could even be higher. You know what I mean? He's got more hype than maybe 12 of the DJs ahead of him on that list. 131:25 Who were the other 11? I don't know. David Ketcher was number one though. So how do you know he could be higher? Because I looked at the list. I don't know them. I can't remember them now. It's a list of 100 people. You looked at the list. Who's on the list? Because I have an idea. Whatever. 131:39 No, you can't say whatever. You're on Music Pulse. And he was talking about it. 131:43 You can't say whatever. 131:44 There's not a point to expose me because I'm not a DJ. 131:46 I'm not a DJ. 131:47 This is not a debate. This is meant to be everyone's individual opinion. 131:52 No, he's a DJ. He has to defend the DJs. Remember, he's always the one that asks us the facts. I'm asking you. Who are the rest of the 13? 131:59 Hold on, 12 of the… No, I'm not going to Google. 132:02 I'm going to my phone where I had the list. Isn't it he who tells me, you don't know Mang Mang? You don't know Mang Mang? No, I actually know almost all of them. You know what I mean? Okay, tell us. The big ones. 132:12 Yeah, I know almost all of them. No, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Like, I used to do distribution for Pop House. No, no, no. Do you know who Pop House is? I will never doubt you. No, don't worry about it. I know you for a long time. You know I will never doubt you. Martin Garrix. I know Martin Garrix. You know I will never doubt you. You know Dimitri Vegas. You know Armin Van Buren. Timmy Trumpet. Fisher. Vintage cult. Calvin Harris. You know, whatever. Don Diablo. I know that guy. 132:43 He met his match. No, hold on. 132:44 No, no, no. It's not about meeting his match. 132:48 David Guetta. I know him as well. So, a lot of those DJs, I feel like over the past couple of years, they haven't really been as active as coffee has. You know what I mean? I was actually at his Madison Square Garden show and I actually felt how it felt when a South African turned up in New York. You know, when Manhattan is talking about a South African. Everyone in Manhattan is talking about the Black Coffee Show tonight. Mm-hmm. Like the Knicks are playing. 133:10 That was the one with the... It was the only one. No, I'm saying... It was on the 8th of October 2023. 133:15 I can't remember what he was last year. He was higher though last year, no? 133:19 I'm not sure. I don't know if he got bumped up or bumped down. I'm asking, was that the orchestra one, right? No. 133:25 No, the orchestra one was in Durban. In Durban, that was many, many years ago. Madison Square Garden were the Knicks play. Yes, I understand. The NBA champions. I'm asking, am I wrong? You guys will tell me. Remember he did the orchestra at Moses Might Be There. Yes. Yeah. At that time. Yeah. I'm saying the New York one, was that not also a... It was exactly something like that. No, no, it wasn't. You had a band. 133:50 It was just 10 times better than that. Come on, come on. Don't be dumb. I was there. You were there. I wasn't there. I was asking. 133:56 I understand, but you're giving me a chance. But don't give me a chance. You're fighting, dog. You're fighting. You're fighting. Malachi pays better than Maggi. 134:04 Guys, I've been quiet, eh? Yeah. But the problem is, I've been quiet because the country says not as intelligent. 134:10 Don't make it a personal attack. And I'm trying to learn. Don't make it a personal attack, dog. Don't make it a personal attack. We're doing the show, chief. But now, I'm finding myself learning backwards. You can't. 134:21 How can you learn backwards when you haven't done it forwards? 134:24 You haven't done it forward. That's what I was trying to head. No, you can't go forward, dog. I was there. Do you understand what I'm saying? I was in Madison Square Garden. You were there when Jesus was born, bro. Yeah, it doesn't matter when Jesus was born, dog. Do you understand what I'm saying? I was there in my 8th Avenue apartment, dog. Overlooking Central Park, dog. 134:43 You've got no imagination of that. You've got no concept of that. You can't personalize the experience. And what I'm trying to tell you is this, is that these DJing lists, right? As much as they're great, right? Black Coffee is doing much more than these lists can do for him. And right now he's being suppressed on these lists because he's doing things that these guys aren't doing. Right? 135:05 He's headlining stadiums on his own right now. 135:08 Before I move on, so who, is there anyone that you would add? 135:12 It doesn't matter where they... A lot of South African DJs are better than a lot of DJs in the top 100. 135:16 Okay, so who would you add? Who would you add? In which range? 135:20 Guys, guys, babe, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, it's a... When you speak, we speak. Remember, we're all knowledgeable of what we're speaking about. So when you speak, you must speak. If you're asking a question, let the person answer and vice versa. We can't be sitting here just hearing you speaking over us. 135:40 Okay. 135:40 Do you understand? We've all lived experiences, Mikey. I've heard that five times. I understand you went to Middle School Square Gardens. I understand. He interrupted me while I was making my point. No, he did. He interrupted me while I was making my point. My man. And I wanted to finish my point. All I'm saying is that speak, say something. I don't say shut up, I'm speaking now. I say you went there. 135:58 Okay. Shut up. Can I ask you? The second part of my question is… Is there anyone, and it doesn't have to be South African, it would be nice if it could be, but I understand a global perspective. Are there people that you would add to the list and where would you place them in terms of ranges? I'd place them in the 50s, the 20s, the top 10s, the top 5s. 136:22 all over the world or South African that you feel like deserve to be on the list as DJs? 136:25 I mean, there was a list with DJ Zintle. Two names. Right? There was a list with DJ Zintle a couple of years ago. I don't know. And I felt at that point in time that maybe she might not have deserved it as a DJ. Right? But Shimza, I would put him even higher on the list. Cornelia Sese, you know, I'd put him out there. 136:44 Who else? 136:46 That's two, Baba. 136:47 Two. Yeah. So Cornelius Esse and DJ Zinke and what range? 136:52 Shimza, I'd put him higher. It's not someone I'm adding to the list. Who else could I put? Who wrote the song I'd put on the list? And he found you at the airport. 137:00 What range in terms of like 20s, 10s, 30s, whatever? Who's Audi? 137:08 Tachis. Fuck that nigga. Yeah, yeah. 137:10 Sorry. 137:10 Nigga, I'll take your job. Stop. And guess what? 137:13 You don't fucking... Sorry. 137:15 That's actually funny. 137:16 Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'll fucking take your job now. But you're misbehaving. You're misbehaving. Don't let the shots get to us. Sorry. 137:21 Yeah, I got you. I'm saying 10s, 20s, 30s in terms of the people that you added. 137:27 I'd put Shimza up into maybe the top 30s, top 20s. No, I'm saying even higher, much higher. Because of his skill as a DJ, the stuff that he's doing at all the festivals that he's doing. And he's one of the most exciting people to watch at those shows because he might not have the bigger brand. He might have... 137:44 might not have the higher billing. No, he's got a very big brand. No, I'm talking about on the international stage, he's not as big as Black Coffee, dog. He's not as big as Martin Garrix. 137:52 Okay, so now I'm going to go to... 137:56 I'm trying to have a comment without interrupting. It's not from the vault. It is interrupting. My nigga, don't fucking play with the Shimza name across this world. Don't play. I said it in court under oath. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying now, I said it in court under oath. I don't want to get into to your court documents. That's a big, big man. Okay, guys, please. I know you guys... We are in court right now. That's a big, big man. 138:21 I know. Not bigger than me, though. 138:25 It's a big man. Sorry, babe. Sorry, sorry, sorry. 138:29 Who got it? 138:29 Your mic. 138:30 It's called Shamiso's Coach right now. No, Shamiso. We're going to get to the DJ last. I think you're quiet on the show, bro. Swiso, are there any two DJs that you feel like should have made that list? 138:42 That list is crazy. 138:44 It's... 138:45 I won't rely on it one. I'm happy for Shimza to be there. I love Shimza. Yeah, and coffee. Love them to bits bro. But because the international list is made by white people and white people are listening to Afro House. Afro House, Afro Tech, more than hip hop, more than any other sound. I do think Louis Vegas is supposed to be there. 139:08 Mm. 139:09 You know Luis Vega? Mm-hmm. Okay. 139:11 No, no, no. Come on. I haven't met these people. 139:15 You made him? 139:16 No. 139:16 My coat? 139:18 No. 139:19 It's the ninja. 139:20 You've never booked Blackhoff as an opening act for your artist. 139:22 It's the ninja, you did. You booked him for your birthday, right? 139:25 No. Guys. 139:26 Babe, yes. For the spirit launch. 139:30 I didn't interrupt anybody. Why am I being interrupted? 139:32 No one interrupted you. You did. You literally did. No, you asked the question and I answered it. 139:37 Okay, guys. So if you guys don't mind… You said, do you know Luigi Vega? Okay. And I answered it. If you guys don't mind… Podcast Network. My name is DJ Spiso. Thank you so much for having me on the show, babe. Thank you so much for holding us down. Spiso, I don't want to fucking know and I don't care. 139:56 Shimza and Black Coffee are amazing DJs. 139:59 My album is coming out and... Let's go, my boy. Whatever, dude. Let's just go home because these irks are going to fight, babe. They're going to fight and fight and fight. No, we have to vote now. Yeah, I'm tired. I want to go have a cigarette. 140:11 Before we vote, let him finish. Let him finish. Hold on. Hold on, speedy. Let him finish. Let him finish. Come on. Come on. 140:16 I was saying this list is dope, but I'd consider it more if Luis Vega was in it. Who else? Luis Vega, who am I now? Who is Luis Vega? 140:28 I know Luis Vega. 140:29 Oh, Luis Vega. Whatever. 140:32 Luis. 140:32 I'm close to the name. Relax, relax. I'm close to the name anyway. 140:37 No, no, no. You're good. Right. Yeah, who else? We call Luis in South Africa, but where he comes from, they call him Luis. Go check again. Actually. Go check. Go check. It's Portuguese. It's Latino. Relax. Calm down. You see that? 140:52 That's where you calm down. 140:56 My brother. 140:57 Remember, I'm like you. I'm not Lota. You're not going to argue me about Tai Luiz. 141:03 There is no Louis Vega in Mexico. 141:06 Okay, no problem, Angel. 141:08 Louis Vega, you're calling him in English, not in Latino. 141:12 Yeah. Chief, my man. Just give me a sec. No, you know. I know too. 141:17 Yeah. 141:17 They say when you marry someone, you must have something in common, right? 141:41 So… Yeah, let's continue. Let's continue. Let's continue. Let's continue. Just to close, Louis Vega is supposed to be in that list. 141:50 Yeah. 141:51 Da Cabo is supposed to be in that list. He's been making a lot of music that Blankov is playing. A lot of music that Blankov plays. Hey, world. A lot of music that Blankov plays. Da Cabo makes it. 142:03 You hear me? I got you. I got you. A lot of music that Blackoff plays in Spain and Ibiza, wherever it plays, 99% of it, if not 100%, is produced by the Cabo. 142:14 So, hold on. Essentially, you're saying we agree. 142:17 You agree on what? I just agreed with you because I said like this list is not relevant especially to South Africans. We look at the talent that we've got in South Africa as far as South African DJs are concerned and the talent is not being exposed especially on these international platforms because they're not looking for DJing talent. They're looking for brand. They're looking for whether you're selling out venues. They're looking for where you're playing at the Coliseum in Rome or whatever. Right. There's people that are playing at the Coliseum or what used to be the Coliseum in Hilbro, you know, that are playing better than many of the DJs around the world. 142:48 You know, South Africa's got one of the best and biggest DJing culture. Even when Louis Vega is here, he says, yo, there's some kids, even in the Val West Vista's from, that could show him flames. You know what I mean? All of these guys, Bodhisattva, Again, he said his best DJing experiences was DJing in the pubs, especially in rural and townships of South Africa. So for me, I think this one, we can call it a draw. What is it? We call this debate a draw? 143:16 Yeah, okay. Let's call this debate a draw. But I mean, there's some new music that you wanted to highlight. Let's highlight it. 143:22 Nah, we don't have to. We're running out of time. 143:24 You guys spent too much time… What? You're not going to highlight Jaivane's album? You guys are busy talking about too much shit. So I'm going to close the show for you guys. 143:34 No, hold on. Let me highlight Jaivane's album. Do you have something else to say? Yeah, I do. Say it. I'm listening. Jaivane's album should be higher up on the charts. You know what I mean? I think that people are sleeping on that. He dropped an album? He dropped an album. It's a fire album. You know what I mean? I didn't know it didn't tell me album it reminds you of music that you grew up listening to it's a 15 track album as well he's got another track with De Rose on there Luto was their big tie up together last year which was one of the biggest hits and I think they've done another hot jam together. 144:06 I like the song Sebenza with Smilo on the vocals who was also featured on the previous album and I mean Jaivane doesn't get as much praise as he deserves for putting on so many artists with Simnandi records and I think we've only heard the bad stories but the people that are still there are all saying Simnandi. 144:22 When did you ever hear a good story about a record label? 144:26 When did you ever hear a good story about a record label that goes to rural areas, that goes to… Townships. Townships and fascist kids. Bring them to town. Washes them. Buy them, roll on. Makes them diamonds. Buy them, roll on, cream, and grow to perfumes and colognes and whatever, whatever. Where did you ever, ever, ever, ever, including all the artists we have right now in the country speaking good about a record label? So, Jaivani is not exceptional. 144:55 That's just what I wanted to say. 144:57 He's an exceptional DJ when it comes to mixes on podcasting. 145:00 Yeah, no, I'm saying he's not going to survive from all the bad names that record labels have. 145:08 Why? Because you're a stupid, kind person. 145:10 Mm-hmm. 145:11 When you record label means you are stupid and you are kind. That's what it means. Two kinds. And then people take advantage of kind. 145:19 And people that think that they're stupid. That's it. 145:21 Yeah. 145:22 So he's paying the price. 145:24 You and him are one of a kind. 145:26 Where's my mic? 145:28 Where's my mic? 145:29 No, he's rapping. He's the one that's rapping. 145:31 I'm rapping. Thank you to Spista, man. All the way from Val. Dating a beautiful woman in our network. 145:37 Mm. 145:39 All right. 145:41 Thank you. 145:44 Shout out to Shamiso, man. I'm a roomie. I love Shamiso. She knows it. I love Lundi. Do you feel me? You feel me? Shout out to feel me. 145:56 We've got pants, dog. We've got lots of tricks. It's not just arguing, dog. They don't get us. It's fine. So yeah, shout out to Read The Room. They can't stand for us. They can't sit for us. 146:07 Shout out to Read The Room for one of their co-hosts. We appreciate you standing in for us. 146:11 We appreciate the last minute. But we've been here for a long time. 146:13 We've been here for a long time. For like seven hours. We ate all the catering. Apparently, our host is pregnant. 146:22 Our host. 146:23 And on that note, this has been Music Pulse. That's Music Pulse, man. We're out, man. Next week. Next week, same place, same time. Let's go. 146:34 Next week, Tuesday. 146:37 Next week, same place, same time, you subscribe. And before you do that, buy your tickets and then you subscribe. Then we meet in Cape Town. And if you're from Kukule, Chukali, Chanyang, Philippe, I want to see you. They come to me personally. It'll be hot at the roasts. If it can be, it will be cold. 147:07 . .