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Chatter that Matters

Tony Chapman

Chatter That Matters is an award-winning podcast that champions human perseverance and the power of possibility, countering the storm of negativity and the growing sense of impossibility. Hall of Famer Inductee Tony Chapman hosts the show and shares inspiring stories of individuals overcoming seemingly insurmountable challenges to make things happen. Guests include athletes, artists, activists, entrepreneurs, immigrants, refugees, survivors, and leaders from all walks of life. Through these stories, listeners gain powerful life lessons and insights that inspire them to chase their dreams and achieve what they want, need, and deserve. In doing so, we learn life lessons that help us chase our dreams.

Categories: Business

Listen to the last episode:

What happened to the truth? I find myself fixated on a troubling realization. It feels remarkably easy to win over an audience with a slogan, a promise without substance, or blatant mistruths, even when those are wildly disconnected from the audience's reality. And even more surprisingly, they are not only readily accepted but also often repeated and shared.

I wanted to understand why. Not from a political or media lens, but from a human one. What is it about human nature that makes us so vulnerable?

That question led me to two conversations on Chatter That Matters. What ties them together is a sobering conclusion. Our minds have not fundamentally changed, but the tools used to target them have. Unless we become more intentional about how we think as parents, citizens and individuals navigating the uncertainties and complexities of life, it will remain dangerously easy to sell comforting narratives that drift far from reality.

Gordon Pennycook, a highly regarded cognitive scientist whose journey from small-town Saskatchewan to a renowned thought leader at Cornell University gives him a rare lens on how ordinary people reason in extraordinary information environments. Gordon studies why we are so trusting, why misinformation spreads faster than truth, and why most of us are not irrational or malicious, just distracted. His research shows that people do not fail because they cannot think, but because the systems around them reward speed, emotion, and certainty over reflection and accuracy.

We discuss why falsehood often outperforms truth online, how social platforms exploit attention rather than intention, why news has become opinionated, and why there is still hope.

I then bring in Milos Stojadinovic, a cybersecurity and threat expert at RBC, who thinks like attackers, so the rest of us do not have to.

Milos explains how cybercrime has become organized, global, and industrialized, from ransomware-as-a-service to AI-powered scams and nation-state involvement. His insight makes one thing clear. Trust is still our greatest human strength, but it has also become the easiest point of entry for those who want to exploit it.